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**cowardly dj** · October 3, 2006, 09:37:32 AM

Re: God does exist

My first question is this:

Can the truth be found on anything and everything?

Give me your answer and state why you answered as you did.

My answer is yes, the truth can be discerned on absolutely everythiing.

**Garrick** · October 3, 2006, 09:41:45 AM

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where's the undeniable proof?

^ south park's god.

**KinKyJ** · October 3, 2006, 09:56:22 AM

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Originally posted by cowardly dj

My first question is this:

Can the truth be found on anything and everything?

Give me your answer and state why you answered as you did.

Provided you have the right tools to your disposal, the answer imo is yes. With tools I mean scientific techniques only. The question however is whether we NEED to know the truth on anything and everything.

My answer is yes, the truth can be discerned on absolutely everythiing.

Why?

**Kobe** · October 3, 2006, 10:01:15 AM

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proof in the form of a question?

**Garrick** · October 3, 2006, 10:05:03 AM

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God exists in the person. There are 50 bazillion religions out there, most with a different God. I can only beleive that God is what you make him to be.

**cowardly dj** · October 3, 2006, 10:10:23 AM

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I say the truth can be found on any subject because I have learned to look through opinions and use only facts.

Facts inherently are truths that is why they are facts. Can we agree on that statement?

Opinion: Blue is the best color.
Fact: the sun shines during the day and not at night.

How does the question about truth apply to the existense of God? Well it is this: He either exists or He does not. There is truth to be found in that statement. Only one answer can be correct.

**BSully828** · October 3, 2006, 10:14:32 AM

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CDJ, I don't think the argument is whether or not there is a God - I think most of us would agree in the existance of a higher power in some form or fashion - but my problem has always been with the idea that the Judeo-Christian God is the only God. I asked you a question in another post but never got a response, I'll just cut and past rather than retyping the whole thing:

You say you have proof - irrefutable proof - that the God of the Christian Bible is the one true God and all others are false idols. That's great - really, I'm happy to hear it. So you have your Word of God, you study and pour over this Word, you live your life based on this Word and, as far as I can tell from a house music message board, you live a good, fruitful, happy life. And at the end of your days hopefully you will pass feeling that you have lived a long, full, good life and proceed into the hereafter confident that you followed the right path.

Now I'd like you to meet Frank. He's a member of a small tribe hidden deep in the Amazon rainforest, totally secluded from the "modern" world. He lives in a handcrafted hut with his family among a number of other handcrafted huts filled with other families that make up his village. These people have never heard of Jesus, Noah, Issac, Enos, Judas, the whole gang - they have no idea what Sodom is, couldn't even begin to find Jerusalem on a map and haven't the slightest clue who God the Father is. They do believe in a divine order though and have an equally elaborate and detailed system of beliefs as any other organized religion. Frank has his Word of his God, he studies and pours over this Word, lives his life based on this Word and it is a good, fruitful, happy life. At the end of ol' Frank's days he is filled with the certainty that he lived a long, full, good life and proceeds into the hereafter confident that he followed the right path.

Frank's case is not some hypothetical situation here. Millions, if not billions of people throughout history have been a believer in something other that your version of The story - they lived a honest, hard working, devotional life. They raised a family, guided their children to be honest, hard working, devotional people and were laid to rest feeling that they were faithful followers of their version of The story. They did not worship your God (according to you the one and ONLY one true God) but the God they did worship filled them with the same joy and happiness, directed them to live just as honest and good a life, and supplied them with the same peace of mind and spirit that you enjoy. Yet according to you they are all.....wrong?

**toasty** · October 3, 2006, 10:14:50 AM

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Originally posted by cowardly dj

I am open to any question and will answer it with only facts. I do not deal with opinions on matters as they are not provable.

If you can do this, more power to you. The problem that has plagued these threads in the past, though, is that matters of faith are based upon, well, faith -- not fact. By their nature, facts elude them.

And by the way, "because the Bible says so" is not an indisputable "fact" -- it may consitute your "truth," but it cannot be held out as "fact," which should be limited to empirically provable assertions. There is an important difference.

My thought has always been this -- belief in God is, and will always be, rooted in faith. For the believers, that faith gives them comfort and improves their lives. I don't understand why it is necessary to try to take it a step further...

**Garrick** · October 3, 2006, 10:21:31 AM

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How does the question about truth apply to the existense of God? Well it is this: He either exists or He does not. There is truth to be found in that statement. Only one answer can be correct.

agreed, but that isn't a fact though... that is only a judgement with no provable answer. backing up toasty's comments; religion is based on faith, not fact.

the sun shines at night in alaska, btw.

**speciale** · October 3, 2006, 10:24:48 AM

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this thread hurts my brain

**Garrick** · October 3, 2006, 10:33:22 AM

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^ haha... agreed, but so does work. this proved to be the lesser of the two evils.

**anonin** · October 3, 2006, 10:41:12 AM

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too early!!!

**thesightless** · October 3, 2006, 10:55:49 AM

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go back to my question.

if you worked at the smithsonian, or for another agency that has unlimited scientific tools, and could repeatedly preform an experiment,

how do you prove to the scientific communitiy that god created earth?
how do you prove a soul exists as opposed to what a brain really is, a series of chemical reactions ingrained into a central nervous system?
how do we prove the 7 days theory (really a 6 day with a day off) as opposed to proven, verifiable theories of the big bang, and evolution.\

edit, i wrote, and waited, and waited, and waited,

ok, lemee re-frase this. so i dont get biblical quotes.

if you had every tool imaginable for geological survey and study, AND, the tools to examine space as we have today, how do you disprove the fact the earth was a result of a large explosion of elements and a few million years of gravity and rotation around the suns sphere of influence.

then, using everything that, lets say Cornell medical center, has, how are you going to deny that human evolved from what we have named primates. i know for a fact that when you examine the DNA proteins it shows that we share a lot of DNA, and this can done for ANY human being and ANY primate.
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i.e go back to the thread you blew up last time and read my question

**threehills** · October 3, 2006, 12:38:23 PM

Re: God does exist

Originally posted by cowardly dj

Fact: the sun shines during the day and not at night.

C'mon man. The sun shines 24 hours a day, you just can't see it for 12 of them.

Originally posted by cowardly dj

I will show undeniable proof of the existence of God.

You will show it? In this thread? Or elsewhere. I'd really like to see it you have it.

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