Birth Control

[glucksmann]

Ok, so I was thinking about this earlier today for some weird reason. I was high, so that maybe explains a lot, but anyways, Do we have some type of program to give free birth control to lower income families? Possible crackheads. Im not talking about giving condoms either, I mean giving the pills to all the women who dont have medical insurance.

We might already have a program out there like this, but if we dont it would not be a bad idea. Think about it though.... Think how many kids would not have to grow up with a crack head for a father or a mother. If two crackheads dont reproduce then there would be one less crack baby in the world and then a lot of issues would eventually die out on there own like, mother with no money with 6 children, crack babies, possible gang violence because of poor family upbringing and guidance.

Anyways, just wanted to hear what people thought of that...

[thesightless]

i would but i have said it b4 and ill say it again.

If you cant feed em, DONT breed em.

no kid should be brought into the world to live a life of misfortune beacsue mommy and daddy couldnt control themsleves.

[neoee]

I'd be will to go a step further... if you applying for welfare (this would only work for women) than you would get the implants in your arm that sterilize you for 5 years. Now for the guys maybe as vasblock (I'm not really familiar with them, I hear they do them more often in Australia).

[glucksmann]

Re: Birth Control

See I would be in favor of sterilizing people with an EXTENSIVE criminal record and drug problem. That sounds like such a right wing conservative view and it contradicts a lot of my other beliefs that arent nearly as conservative but I see lot of benefits from it happening.

[toasty]

I'd be in support of free condoms. low cost, does what it is supposed to do. It won't stop the blockheads that just keep having kids b/c they're irresponsible, but nothing will. just b/c you give someone pills doesn't mean they will get used...

[Marimba]

nop...i donmt agree.....US$20,000 a year?
I think money is not an issue to make a decision in that matter

[toasty]

Are people seriously talking about STERILIZING folks against their will?

I grasp that people don't always make the best decisions in the world, but this is the stuff of sci-fi novels. C'mon...

[ok67u4]

Re: Birth Control

ya seriously guys. do you really hate poor people THAT much?

[Marimba]

it seems that people around here likes the easiest solution....hope that was a joke.....well he was stoned..so what the hell.......its not serious i hope...

[glucksmann]

it seems that people around here likes the easiest solution....hope that was a joke.....well he was stoned..so what the hell.......its not serious i hope...

yeah I was stoned but I think I would still be in favor of sterilizing two crackheads that were fucking!

[mylexicon]

i don't know if birth control should be given out. Ideologically its wrong
b/c it costs taxpayers more money and some of those taxpayers don't
believe in birth control or supporting its distribution. From a pragmatic
point though, it keeps children from being born to deadbeat parents or
parent.

Since its such an obvious moral conflict the government shouldn't be
involved in it at all and these people should be left to fend for themselves.

[glucksmann]

i don't know if birth control should be given out. Ideologically its wrong
b/c it costs taxpayers more money and some of those taxpayers don't
believe in birth control or supporting its distribution. From a pragmatic
point though, it keeps children from being born to deadbeat parents or
parent.

Since its such an obvious moral conflict the government shouldn't be
involved in it at all and these people should be left to fend for themselves.

Thats a very interesting point of view.., Thanks, didnt look at it that way. I wouldnt say I agree to let them fend for themselves, but I think ideally in a "democracy" that would have to be the viewpoint, but do we really live in a "democracy"?

[neoee]

Are people seriously talking about STERILIZING folks against their will?

I grasp that people don't always make the best decisions in the world, but this is the stuff of sci-fi novels. C'mon...

How is this against their will? If they apply for welfare they are making a choice. Unfortunately I know a couple who is on welfare. We met them through some friends of friends. It looked like they were trying to make it and get off of welfare. We tried to help them in various ways. The male got into a vocational program doing car stuff and the female got a job at a hamburger joint. Couple months go by and the male is kicked out of the program and the female is "laid off" (how many burger joints do you know of that lay people off?).

These people don't give a damn. There is not even any shame in the fact that they are on welfare as they pretty much tell everyone they pass. Needless to say we no longer associate with them.

The really sad part of this is they have 3 kids, who don't even have a mattress to sleep on at night.

I understand not everyone abuses the system, but if companies can choose not to hire you based on you being a smoker, or firing you if you gain weight, I think we should be able to put stipulations on the assistance we offer. After all my mom came to this country with 80 dollars in her pocket and *never* has my family used welfare as an option.

We have to pay into unemployment insurance and when we get laid off or fired we are required to look and apply for other jobs- if you don't and they find out your benifets end. All this on a system you directly paid into.

*Edit* BTW the methods I mentioned were temporary sterilization solutions.

[glucksmann]

I completely agree. The problem is, is that this is not a black or white issue. There would have to be much sctutiny as to how the government would be able to carry this out. Regardless of what you think you would have to see that this would save peoples lives, and especially children. Its not fair for a kid to grow up without a matress. Our solution in America should not just be to give people money and let them waste opportunities and spend it however they like.

"Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."

[mylexicon]

I don't believe the government has any role in discouraging or encouraging
people to have or avoid having children. Frankly, that is none of the
government's business. Besides it is wholely an American point of view
that poverty is a burden no one should bear. Makes sense in our relatively
materialistic society. It also makes sense that in a materialistic society
we would approve of the government using small amounts of money to
save large amounts of money. Either way it will cause problems b/c
capitalism is the driving factor. The only true solution is to end transfer
payments all together. Allow citizens to set up charitable organizations
to teach and feed people. That way the general public can use their
money to support the causes they believe in.

The only other alternative is to allow people to pay their welfare tax
to a private institution. That way the government can control how much
money is being placed into transfer payments. Of course, we all know
that wouldn't work because the government doesn't actually spend
welfare on promoting welfare.