sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[trick12]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

On the case of WTC towers itself, we've had too many discussions on this. Too, too many.
Looking at it primarily from a structural analysis it seems too good to be true. An explosion and rapture of the bracing members should not lead for the whole building to collapse from an engineering perspective it does not make sense, and to state the obvious A controlled demolition.

Some points to start with is if the structural members fail; the rate and collapse of the towers of themselves should not be able to fall that fast. Also the explosion and dust/debris seemed like it can be seen to be coming out of multiple levels at a time rather than individually. (Pancake Theory?)

Another point which is common is the ability for steel to melt. Going back to my pointless lectures; steel only forms at 900Deg Cel. And the lowest even on low grade el-chepo steel to melt or disform is about 1150 deg Cel. Jet fuel and the explosion of the impact would not have been able to equally distribute this temperature to the entire level of the crashed level. Jet fuel burns at about 700Deg Cel. Just seems a little far-fetched.

Ok, one last point would be to state the obvious, how could a tower collapse so fast when the foundations have been intact. All tall buildings are designed to firstly consider earthquake, wind, and the daily forces applied to it. 12 seconds on avg, for each tower just seemed way too fast for a building with a adequate structural frame below 15 stories. Incorporating all the Physics (Kinetic, Potential, and Stored Energies) it seems a little nearly impossible.

There is another 10000 theories and I'm sure google has all the answers.
Sorry about my rant, but being in engineering this shit is my bread and butter.

But, at the end of the day we can all stand back point fingers, and blame, but what gets me the most is the hundreds of innocent lives lost and the rippled effects of the thousands of friends & family which cannot be justified by some theory or government.
Then we move on to the thousands affected by the wars as a result of this. Innocent people just like me typing away useless shit on a EDM forum, now that's what's astonishing.

this is what it seemed like...

from another point, what happened to the planes coming into the city of NY? isnt there missile launch ready to shatter them if they cross with no green light, just like what happened with the egyptair plane in 1999, they said it wasnt reported leaving JFK so booom by an automatic launcher, and lets say the guy was sipping on his cup of joe and passed the first one, no shit heres another one that goes straight into the tower, really JFK? two planes into the city with no action...what about the pentagon plane? where was the remains of it? so why do people still believe when they get lied to very clearly? look who benefitted the most out of 9/11...and what makes me wonder is how can a plane run into a building and vanish like its some portal, i mean with this kinda mass and speed shudnt it be able to penetrate the buildings and come out the other side or at least parts of it?

This has been talked about 100 million billion times already and even in the official report. Shit didn't totally melt, it just got weakened. How damn hard is that to understand!

No wonder why this country is so fucked right now. Common sense is out the door....

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Looks like res0 is stroking up his shouty man routine. the will be a lot of pictures and icons but not a lot else. Save it for Ron res0

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

This has been talked about 100 million billion times already and even in the official report. Shit didn't totally melt, it just got weakened. How damn hard is that to understand! No wonder why this country is so fucked right now. Common sense is out the door....

10 years on, and still no questions are asked. And that is why common sense is out the door.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

10 years on, and still no questions are asked. And that is why common sense is out the door.

It's been answered already...you just don't like the answers so you make up random shit which either can't be answered or won't be listened to since the sliding scale will just move over a notch when someone wastes their time coming up with a response.

10 years on and the bar keeps sliding around.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

It's been answered already...you just don't like the answers so you make up random shit which either can't be answered or won't be listened to since the sliding scale will just move over a notch when someone wastes their time coming up with a response.

10 years on and the bar keeps sliding around.

Firstly the answers proven does not comprehend from a general engineering point of view based on applicable science and physics. I have not made up random shit, just providing general theories and principles that existed oh...say from maybe 3000 years ago when they built the pyramids, check your physics textbook. No one's waiting for a response, just waiting to be told the truth, and a suitable punishment for the perpetrator of these acts.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Firstly the answers proven does not comprehend from a general engineering point of view based on applicable science and physics. I have not made up random shit, just providing general theories and principles that existed oh...say from maybe 3000 years ago when they built the pyramids, check your physics textbook. No one's waiting for a response, just waiting to be told the truth, and a suitable punishment for the perpetrator of these acts.

So you are more informed about structural engineering, mechanical engineering, building design and and physics than the dozens or hundreds of qualified people who put the official report together? Interesting.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Sorry but where did I say that?
Just gave an valid opinion.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Sorry but where did I say that?
Just gave an valid opinion.

OK so its just random speculation without any evidence on your part...that is fine then...

[floridaorange]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

It was our government. /thread

















In before chunky writes: "there goes Floridaorange closing a thread."

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

If it is evidence you want here it is:

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/911investigator/911investigator_1st_ed.pdf

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf

I'm not saying this is gospel, but I just rely on this as it is applicable science. Not some report compiled behind closed doors.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

If it is evidence you want here it is:

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/911investigator/911investigator_1st_ed.pdf

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf

I'm not saying this is gospel, but I just rely on this as it is applicable science. Not some report compiled behind closed doors.

compiled behind closed doors. tinfoil hats ftw.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

So in rebuttal, may I ask where would your evidence be?
Just wanted to read some of things in which you believe and should start making my tin foil hats ready.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

So in rebuttal, may I ask where would your evidence be?
Just wanted to read some of things in which you believe and should start making my tin foil hats ready.

here:

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/index.cfm

in before: coverups, payoffs, kickbacks, cia, molten steel, random building collapse for no other reason than thousands of pounds of explosives obviously being snuck in under the noses under hundreds of people, and f-16s not blowing the shit out of aircraft with hundreds of us citizens in it within 20 seconds of planes veering off course.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Just another opinion. Same professionals. Same degrees.