sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

lol@.gov

and structural damage doesn't come with a sharp angle cut.

lol and standard lol'ing because it has anyone associated with anyone in power anywhere and therefore is blatantly a lie.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Nope.

There's that, but from what you learn about fire safety, structural adequacy, the general strength of steel, concrete and composite materials, blah blah blah...You think 1 aeroplane cannot do this, surely not. Its designed to withstand magnitude earthquakes, 1 plane?

yup it happened.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

So 2021 then?

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

So 2021 then?

Whats in 2021?

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Ohh just another ten years from now. A similar thread may re-appear.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Ohh just another ten years from now. A similar thread may re-appear.

I'm going to bet some crazy world event will happen before then, and everyone will be wondering how it happened.

[dig72]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

in the attacks last year!!! I just listened to some evidence about two weeks ago and I can't believe the stuff I heard.

what do some of you think???

The government and its partners in crime were behind 9/11. And every one affected should be directing their anger, disgust towards them and nobody else. Everything in between is just a distraction.

Every single person out there, who is defending the terrorist actions of these criminals, should be hanging their heads in shame. It is because of you, which allows these vile creatures to thrive unchallenged in their disastrous and destructive ways.

[floridaorange]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

^I'm fine with ending this thread on that note...

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

The government and its partners in crime were behind 9/11. And every one affected should be directing their anger, disgust towards them and nobody else. Everything in between is just a distraction.

Every single person out there, who is defending the terrorist actions of these criminals, should be hanging their heads in shame. It is because of you, which allows these vile creatures to thrive unchallenged in their disastrous and destructive ways.

There are too many action words in here. I'd recommend diagramming your sentences again and rewriting this.

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

It was our government. /thread

In before chunky writes: "there goes Floridaorange closing a thread."

No res0 closes the threads.

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

It was a world first? Have you ever seen a 110 story building get hit by a half a million pound plane and spew thousands of pounds of jet fuel all over a building before that?

No there have been hundreds if not thousands (even the WTTC 2) of steel framed buildings catching fire. Only building 7 was the only one that fell down as a result.

[floridaorange]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Here's a video rooted in reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUURRaa44_8

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

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Nice

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[NickMcDuff]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

The reason Resonator is coming off as arrogant, pompous and small minded is as clear as the sky is blue. He's an American.

Americans have a belief and value system that's bred into them from an early age. Any challenge to this belief system ie: Our Government protects us, they keep us safe, America is the good guy etc etc, causes cognitive dissonance. When this happens fear and anxiety take hold which in turn, help kick in the minds psychological defenses. The most primitive psychological defense is, denial. Its easier to deny everything and move on with your life.

If resonator was a sincere and open-minded person he would study the evidence available but he chooses not to. His mind just wont let him. He's not at fault for this. What he is at fault for is taking on the stereotypical American personality of someone who shouts down people who have genuine questions about 9/11, refusal to believe anything other than the "official" story and general pig headedness. He probably truly believes the FBI found one of the hijackers passports 3 blocks from WTC. This would make his statement about the force of the impact, the massive fireball that ensued and the amount of chaos implied seem counterintuitive to the FBIs finding don't you think?

We all have beliefs and ideas don't we? It just seems rather childish and uneducated to challenge people in a way that makes them out to be idiots, especially if they don't share your prophetic wisdom. One of the main reasons 9/11 was such a success for whoever carried it out is because people like Resonator will always be there to continue the lie, albeit, out of good intentions.