sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[floridaorange]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

I find the naivety towards your own Govts operations kind of scary.

[res0nat0r]

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^Are you Julian Assange?

An guy really more concerned with his own ego and 'information wants to be free' image above anything else? nah.

[Illuminate]

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Sure we disagreed but we never had to resort to name calling (except for Jenks maybe). Then after Toasty & Miro vanished we where left with res0 who failed to convince anyone of his argument so he resorted to silly pictures and then name calling. I'm just joining in with the newer direction the forum has taken.

I don't think anyone else has taken that direction or has chosen to take that direction form the general Politics contributors.
What gets me is your elaboration of a figure of speech, generally stated by res0. And all of sudden it's signature worthy.

I also don't think anyone gets it though, merely for the fact people may be laughing at your signature not with it.

[NickMcDuff]

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I'm wondering why if thats the case then zero evidence has come up of this actually occurring. Note even the Pentagon Papers were leaked way back when, when they was shady business going on. The bigger question is really why would people who dedicate their life to serving their country really be motivated to do something so wrong against the country they've spent so much time apparently trying to make better? It isn't rational.

The bigger picture here is how to prosecute people involved in such a crime in this day and age. When it comes to middle eastern dictators or African warlords then the answer is simple but not when its leaders of the Western world, especially the US.

When somebody like the FBI reviews a case, every piece of evidence is looked at after it has been retrieved by the FBI themselves. When a commission reviews a case, the only look at the evidence that is presented to them by third parties. There's a reason this method isn't used in criminal cases. When the people doing the reviewing are connected to the very people implicated, then you have a bigger problem. You can see where this is going.

The crux of the matter for you seems to be the faith you have in your own political leaders. The notion that any political leader in the modern world dedicates their lives to their country in order to better it, just isn't true. They are dedicated to money, and money alone. Governments are essentially corporations. In fact, they're even floated as such. Governments therefore are motivated by profit, which in turn motivates certain decisions that may seem alien, unjust or even inhumane to most of us. This is nothing new to corporate culture though. I assume you're aware of Cheneys corporate connections. Well he's just the guy we know most about. Washington is riddled with politicians just like him, all with connections to corporate America. Do you really think they care about ole Joe the Plumber and the fact he's down on his luck? Let's be realistic here.

[Shpira]

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[Kamal]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Chunky, please leave the personal attacks aside, seriously.

[res0nat0r]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

The bigger picture here is how to prosecute people involved in such a crime in this day and age. When it comes to middle eastern dictators or African warlords then the answer is simple but not when its leaders of the Western world, especially the US.

When somebody like the FBI reviews a case, every piece of evidence is looked at after it has been retrieved by the FBI themselves. When a commission reviews a case, the only look at the evidence that is presented to them by third parties. There's a reason this method isn't used in criminal cases. When the people doing the reviewing are connected to the very people implicated, then you have a bigger problem. You can see where this is going.

The crux of the matter for you seems to be the faith you have in your own political leaders. The notion that any political leader in the modern world dedicates their lives to their country in order to better it, just isn't true. They are dedicated to money, and money alone. Governments are essentially corporations. In fact, they're even floated as such. Governments therefore are motivated by profit, which in turn motivates certain decisions that may seem alien, unjust or even inhumane to most of us. This is nothing new to corporate culture though. I assume you're aware of Cheneys corporate connections. Well he's just the guy we know most about. Washington is riddled with politicians just like him, all with connections to corporate America. Do you really think they care about ole Joe the Plumber and the fact he's down on his luck? Let's be realistic here.

You didn't answer the question...there isn't any evidence. Nothing leaked to good olde' Wikileaks, reporters around the world, insiders with second thoughts, etc. Also just saying 'coverup' isn't a valid answer

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

The bigger question is really why would people who dedicate their life to serving their country really be motivated to do something so wrong against the country they've spent so much time apparently trying to make better? It isn't rational.

Evidence like clearing the crime scene asap then disposing everything PDQ. Nazi's where patriots it didn't stop them burning the reichstag or the US government allowing the attack on Pearl Harbour. Its rational to assume not everyone in the government is a patriot

[chunky]

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Chunky, please leave the personal attacks aside, seriously.

So its OK for me to accept them but not the other way around.

[chunky]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

I don't think anyone else has taken that direction or has chosen to take that direction form the general Politics contributors.
What gets me is your elaboration of a figure of speech, generally stated by res0. And all of sudden it's signature worthy.

I also don't think anyone gets it though, merely for the fact people may be laughing at your signature not with it.

Really do you want me to highlight a few posts in a few threads for you.

As for the signature I'm just participating in the recent MS tradition of taking quotes from other members and using them as my signature. You haven't heard me bitching about another user who did the same with my name, only it wasn't a quote I made. Or the green triangles that popped up overnight. Though saying that I find them amusing. Some people need to feel apart of something I guess.

And as for the last bit you should have paid attention to my previous signature.

[bobjuice]

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Really do you want me to highlight a few posts in a few threads for you.

I think you might have to. As it seems to me your getting a raw deal here Chunky.

I take my hat off to you for standing your ground tbh.

[Shpira]

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I think you might have to. As it seems to me your getting a raw deal here Chunky.

I take my hat off to you for standing your ground tbh.

+ 1

That said you are all extremely childish and somewhat insane tbh.

[Illuminate]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

+ 1

That said you are all extremely childish and somewhat insane tbh.

+2

[Kamal]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

So its OK for me to accept them but not the other way around.

absolutely.

[bobjuice]

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