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  • ubiqe
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 1731

    #76
    Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

    Originally posted by asdf_admin
    i have to admit porgressive and scratching make me want to ...

    it just does not fit. call me old, but leave the scratching to Hip_Hop & Drum & Bass. eck.
    Agreed 100%

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    • Nick Sneddon
      Getting Somewhere
      • Jul 2004
      • 156

      #77
      Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

      Originally posted by peloquin
      Originally posted by Nick Sneddon
      Originally posted by chemicalbeavis
      Originally posted by Nick Sneddon
      Originally posted by hansh20
      wtf??? trance, what are you talking about, i heard his set in new years eve, it was everything but trance, it was kind of tecky most of the time, but never ever trance, was it you the one who won the mercury promote?
      Yeah that was me.....


      Wish i voted otherwise now, if what Sneddon says is correct it would seem i voted for a trance set to win and i fucking hate trance.



      Well at least Sasha won't be called a garage DJ anymore

      Kids
      I dont understand....
      i think he's trying to suggest that your mix was a trance mix...

      for the record i dont think sasha is a trance dj... the closest i think personally i've heard him play to trance (not live, but recorded sets) was the essential selection mix he did last year... not quite trance, but definately epic imo, which is a bit cheesy. sasha is an innovator, one of the best things to happen to edm.... he isn't a trance dj, and if he wants to cheese it up every once in a while, so be it
      What I was trying to say is that fundamentally Sasha is a trance DJ meaning most of his roots are, and always will be, in trance. Theres usually elements of this when he plays nowadays anyway. And I don't know where my mix has got trance on it?
      When I play......no dog barks!!!!

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      • chemicalbeavis
        Are you Kidding me??
        • Jun 2004
        • 3607

        #78
        Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

        Originally posted by Nick Sneddon
        What I was trying to say is that fundamentally Sasha is a trance DJ meaning most of his roots are, and always will be, in trance. Theres usually elements of this when he plays nowadays anyway. And I don't know where my mix has got trance on it?
        Sorry mate but i never heard such rubbish in me life, Sasha's roots in trance???? Sasha's roots were moulded in a time before the term "trance" was even thought of in these terms. Sasha can't be pigeonholed, when Sasha was playing what you now call trance, it wasn't even known as trance, he is an inovator, what Sasha is playing now is the blueprint for what DJ's will play in the future, blah, im going to bed, heard enough

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        • Nick Sneddon
          Getting Somewhere
          • Jul 2004
          • 156

          #79
          Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

          when Sasha was playing what you now call trance
          How do you know what I call trance music? Im talking about the harmonics and melodies of trance music are what shapes a lot of what Sasha plays today. Were you at Ruby Skye a few weeks ago? If you weren't or you haven't heard the set then how can you comment?
          When I play......no dog barks!!!!

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          • simonr
            Transitionator
            • Jun 2004
            • 8796

            #80
            Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

            I think you are confusing dynamics, breakdowns and an ear for an amazing melody with the term "trance" ... while Sasha (and Digweed)included music from the likes of Ferry Corsten and Paul Van Dyk several years ago, and got labelled with that tag - things have moved on significantly.

            I'd hardly class Sasha as playing that sort of music - unless he has artistically sold his soul (highly unlikely). In fact "trance" has turned into the type of pounding repetitive predictive cheesy shite that the likes of Tiesto now play - I saw Sasha 6-times last year ... he'd have had to have made a major about-turn musically to have changed genres.
            sigpicSimonR

            This release was mastered direct from vinyl at the request of the DJ and as such features natural sound characteristics of this medium such as record surface noise.

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            • chemicalbeavis
              Are you Kidding me??
              • Jun 2004
              • 3607

              #81
              Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

              Originally posted by Nick Sneddon
              when Sasha was playing what you now call trance
              How do you know what I call trance music? Im talking about the harmonics and melodies of trance music are what shapes a lot of what Sasha plays today. Were you at Ruby Skye a few weeks ago? If you weren't or you haven't heard the set then how can you comment?

              Fuck me! are you for real? i can comment mate because i know what i'm talking about, tell me, how did you figure that Sasha's roots "are and always will be in trance"?

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              • chemicalbeavis
                Are you Kidding me??
                • Jun 2004
                • 3607

                #82
                Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                Originally posted by simonr
                I think you are confusing dynamics, breakdowns and an ear for an amazing melody with the term "trance" ... while Sasha (and Digweed)included music from the likes of Ferry Corsten and Paul Van Dyk several years ago, and got labelled with that tag - things have moved on significantly.

                I'd hardly class Sasha as playing that sort of music - unless he has artistically sold his soul (highly unlikely). In fact "trance" has turned into the type of pounding repetitive predictive cheesy shite that the likes of Tiesto now play - I saw Sasha 6-times last year ... he'd have had to have made a major about-turn musically to have changed genres.


                Good post

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                • ivanb
                  Fresh Peossy
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 29

                  #83
                  Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                  cant wait for involver 2 *drools*

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                  • Nick Sneddon
                    Getting Somewhere
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 156

                    #84
                    Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                    I think a few of you are missing the point I am trying to make. In the 90's when Sasha was in his prime ( and whatever anyone thinks or says he IS past his prime unfortunately ), his sets consisted of a lot of trance music, and elements of this can still be heard in what he plays today. ELEMENTS of it. Im not saying that his sets nowadays contain a lot of trance records ( although what he played at Ruby Skye the other week was certainly verging on it ), but the influence is definitely there, and probably always will be. To call Sasha an innovative DJ is a bit far fetched too - I think because he is using the Ableton he is in danger of doing what he did a few years ago ie. starting to play exactly the same set week after week. Im hoping this doesn't happen, he is still my favourite DJ ( I know he isn't the best DJ in the world, but hes still my favourite ), but we'll have to see.......
                    When I play......no dog barks!!!!

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                    • chemicalbeavis
                      Are you Kidding me??
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 3607

                      #85
                      Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                      Originally posted by Nick Sneddon
                      I think a few of you are missing the point I am trying to make. In the 90's when Sasha was in his prime ( and whatever anyone thinks or says he IS past his prime unfortunately ), his sets consisted of a lot of trance music, and elements of this can still be heard in what he plays today. ELEMENTS of it. Im not saying that his sets nowadays contain a lot of trance records ( although what he played at Ruby Skye the other week was certainly verging on it ), but the influence is definitely there, and probably always will be. To call Sasha an innovative DJ is a bit far fetched too - I think because he is using the Ableton he is in danger of doing what he did a few years ago ie. starting to play exactly the same set week after week. Im hoping this doesn't happen, he is still my favourite DJ ( I know he isn't the best DJ in the world, but hes still my favourite ), but we'll have to see.......
                      "in the 90s" is a pretty wide timescale, and Sasha's sound evolved dramatically over this period, i recommend you listen to some of his sets from Shelly's or the Hac around 1989/90, you will discover where Sasha's roots were forged, you will also discover that "trance" as you know it, did not exist, and wouldn't until almost a decade later, way beyond (imo) Sasha's prime. You said Sasha being an innovative DJ is a bit far fetched, i strongly disagree, No other DJ has been copied and had so much influence on dance music in general as Sasha, look back to his legendary residency at Shelley's, it was because of Sasha's influence (and persuasion) that Geoff Oakes started a club called Renaissance with Sasha as resident, it was here that Sasha discovered a DJ called John Digweed. Also headlining at major events such as Universe & Chuff Chuff, Sasha was pretty much the first to do it all, how many other DJ's (apart form Carl Cox who has also stood the test of time) can you name who were headlining in 1990 and are still headlining in 2005? and what about the DJ's who owe their careers to Sasha? BT was virtually unknown until Sasha picked up on Embracing The Future & Deeper Sunshine, same goes for Kleinenberg with Sacred and My Lexicon, John Digweed was discovered by Sasha, as was Lee Burridge & where would Zabiela be without Sasha's hand? Sasha is nothing short of a legend, as for being past his prime, yes he probably is, but you were probably still at school then, but right now he is in the best form he has been for some time, still pushing the boundaries and setting the pace for others to follow, and he is still the worlds No 1.

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                      • Nick Sneddon
                        Getting Somewhere
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 156

                        #86
                        Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                        Thanks for the history lesson, but I knew all of that already.....

                        A few points....

                        you don't need to recommend me those sets from shelleys, its likely I've already heard them.

                        I didnt say all his roots were in trance, I stated that most of them were as a large portion of his career has been taken up playing it.

                        Sasha is past his prime unfortunately, although it pains me to say it, and at the height of his fame what genre of music was he playing?

                        I wouldn't call Sasha an innovative DJ any more ( for innovation check the Scratch Perverts or Richie Hawtin ( As if you would )), but as a producer he's still one of the best.

                        Yes Sasha is a legend.

                        If you were at Ruby Skye a few weeks ago then please, PLEASE, comment on what you heard?

                        I'm 31 years old.

                        You are one of the most close minded, pretentious people I'ver ever come across. Get your head out of the sand.
                        When I play......no dog barks!!!!

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                        • peloquin
                          Till I Come!
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 8643

                          #87
                          Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                          define trance please

                          i want no part in the argument, i just want to know if we have the same definitions of trance

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                          • asdf_admin
                            i use to be important
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 12798

                            #88
                            Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                            Main Entry: 1trance
                            Pronunciation: 'tran(t)s
                            Function: noun
                            Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French transe, from transir to pass away, swoon, from Latin transire to pass, pass away -- more at TRANSIENT
                            1 : a state of partly suspended animation or inability to function
                            2 : a somnolent state (as of deep hypnosis)
                            3 : a state of profound abstraction or absorption
                            - trance?like /-"lIk/ adjective
                            dead, yet alive.

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                            • Nick Sneddon
                              Getting Somewhere
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 156

                              #89
                              Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                              Well I'll try - I guess it has a constant melody or hookline going through it, gradually dropping in with different layers ( sorry I'm not very good at describing it ). Come to think of it in some ways you could call a lot of acid house records trance...
                              When I play......no dog barks!!!!

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                              • peloquin
                                Till I Come!
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 8643

                                #90
                                Re: New Mix CD By Sasha

                                Originally posted by asdf_admin
                                Main Entry: 1trance
                                Pronunciation: 'tran(t)s
                                Function: noun
                                Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French transe, from transir to pass away, swoon, from Latin transire to pass, pass away -- more at TRANSIENT
                                1 : a state of partly suspended animation or inability to function
                                2 : a somnolent state (as of deep hypnosis)
                                3 : a state of profound abstraction or absorption
                                - trance?like /-"lIk/ adjective
                                leave it out

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