Your worst nightmare (Top100)

[floridaorange]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

I'm wondering what the size of the venues are for the top 10 on this list on average... that may play a role, and the festival scene in general does seem to be at an all time high the past couple years.

[sbando]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

^Note that we don't actually know the real numbers, how many votes did these unknowns get? Shouldn't it be much, much more fragmented? Bar the first 15 (Richie Hawtin at 53 is a joke, c'mon, let's stay in the real world!) + the usual suspects (the ones that year after year buy themselves a placement), the rest of the votes should evenly go to at least 200 different names, using logic and statistics!

Instead, a magazine that sells, I don't know, 15.000 copies? 10.000 hard copies each month, is able to gather 600.000 voters from around the globe. REALLY? We're taking for granted that all the votes went to Guetta, Berlusconi, Whatpeopleplay's dog and sister? It's impossible, unless it's a fraud, Florida recount style.

As for the "popularity contest" thing, that doesn't apply anymore, since half of them are barely popular, that's why I think they lost it.
How this is supposed to help clubs, it's beyond me. More people thinking this horsecrap is generally representative of dance music today, who will hire Marco Carola anymore, apart from Circoloco? To have their floors cleared instantly?

[thebanned1]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

^Note that we don't actually know the real numbers, how many votes did these unknowns get? Shouldn't it be much, much more fragmented? Bar the first 15 (Richie Hawtin at 53 is a joke, c'mon, let's stay in the real world!) + the usual suspects (the ones that year after year buy themselves a placement), the rest of the votes should evenly go to at least 200 different names, using logic and statistics!

Instead, a magazine that sells, I don't know, 15.000 copies? 10.000 hard copies each month, is able to gather 600.000 voters from around the globe. REALLY? We're taking for granted that all the votes went to Guetta, Berlusconi, Whatpeopleplay's dog and sister? It's impossible, unless it's a fraud, Florida recount style.

As for the "popularity contest" thing, that doesn't apply anymore, since half of them are barely popular, that's why I think they lost it.
How this is supposed to help clubs, it's beyond me. More people thinking this horsecrap is generally representative of dance music today, who will hire Marco Carola anymore, apart from Circoloco? To have their floors cleared instantly?

think about what u have said then take a look @ what u do on a daily basis !!!

can i ask you, are you one of the 10,000 who buy the magazine each month ?

i dont yet each year i find out about the poll by means of the internet and by rights i have the choice of voting, what should happen here is that every person who buys the magazine should be given a unique id and allowed to vote using that id but in saying that its not really a fair look on how the world feels about who is the best dj in the world if its only dj magazines readers

every pole like this is completely flawed because i know for a start all i need to vote is have an email and an internet connection, i also know i have access to several of those, put it this way in 2005-2006 i must of voted for sasha about 200 times in the best essential mix poll... everything has a flaw

[sbando]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

I agree with you, apart for one small wtf

think about what u have said then take a look @ what u do on a daily basis !!!

can i ask you, are you one of the 10,000 who buy the magazine each month ?

I won't try to find an interpretation^, I support artists by buying their tracks from Beatpork and Juno, I used to buy 20 cd's a month. I do vote every year, against any good sense. I went out of my way (as in daily tasks and chores) to support my fave DJ.
But you don't support our culture by buying DJMag or Mixmag, lol. They've been putting Guetta and Lady Gaga on their covers for years now. They're to dance music what the NME is to rock music, unfortunately.

Anyway, what you say is close to my own view, actual punters, record buyers, bedroom dj's, fans should still leave a mark in any poll. Richie Hawtin is more popular than 70% of those names, hence it's FICTION now, not just a popularity contest.

[thebanned1]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

I agree with you, apart for one small wtf



I won't try to find an interpretation^, I support artists by buying their tracks from Beatpork and Juno, I used to buy 20 cd's a month. I do vote every year, against any good sense. I went out of my way (as in daily tasks and chores) to support my fave DJ.
But you don't support our culture by buying DJMag or Mixmag, lol. They've been putting Guetta and Lady Gaga on their covers for years now. They're to dance music what the NME is to rock music, unfortunately.

Anyway, what you say is close to my own view, actual punters, record buyers, bedroom dj's, fans should still leave a mark in any poll. Richie Hawtin is more popular than 70% of those names, hence it's FICTION now, not just a popularity contest.

thing is though m8 u have to think numbers here, the trance head is usually the younger generation with no ties so there are more of them and unfortunately more likely to vote in such a poll, the people who are into hawtin,sasha and digweed etc are now the older generation who for the most part are now all married with kids etc so voting on a poll about who is their favourite dj isn't exactly high on the list of things to do in life... i don't believe its fiction if u look @ it in the way in which i do, truth is some of these dj's mentioned would be higher up in the list if everyone who was into the music was actually forced to vote but this is completely insane to think about doing... the voting history speaks for itself over the years as people just follow trends which is exactly why people are running about with iphones and other fashionable items

the basic fact is our generation has had its say many many many times over before and the way i look @ it is that its time we moved over and let the younger ones have their say just as our elders did when it was our turn to take the helm and just because "our" dj's aint so high on todays list doesn't mean to say they are less popular then they were 10-20 years ago its just that the people who rigorously follow these dj's have moved on in life and this is something we just have to accept... the newer dj's are the ones that are keeping the scene alive and of course in 5-10 years there will be a new hawtin or a new sasha or a new digweed, if no new talent takes the helm then the scene dies quicker than it surfaced... personally i,m getting a little sick of the same old dj's all the time, for the most of then its blatantly obvious that their "energy" died many many many moons ago and i get the feeling that most of them are just stringing it along now as a way of securing their own future... when was the last time u heard anything truly inspiring from the big 4-5 on this forum ? come on man half these guys if not pushing forty are now pushing 50 etc ... can u understand where i,m going with this ?

all u have to do is look how ur music taste has changed over ur lifetime to understand where i,m coming from

[floridaorange]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

^I agree.... If I asked every one of my friends on Facebook (and they are all industry people from the acting world), who knows Richie Hawtin, very few if any would respond "yes." However if I asked: who knows "tiesto" or "guetta" well you get the idea.

[thebanned1]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

^I agree.... If I asked every one of my friends on Facebook (and they are all industry people from the acting world), who knows Richie Hawtin, very few if any would respond "yes." However if I asked: who knows "tiesto" or "guetta" well you get the idea.

i get more yes's when i ask have u slept with florida's mum than i do when i ask do u know tiesto

[thebanned1]

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p.s. i hold the facebook page of the tiesto fan club

[DIDI]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

^I agree.... If I asked every one of my friends on Facebook (and they are all industry people from the acting world), who knows Richie Hawtin, very few if any would respond "yes." However if I asked: who knows "tiesto" or "guetta" well you get the idea.

You need new friends. Oh wait, Facebook friends

[thebanned1]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

You need new friends. Oh wait, Facebook friends

thats ur cue to join the darkside di

[sbando]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

C'mon, are we really starting a big debate on the Top100? Richie Hawtin, btw, has been in the top 10 or 15 since men lived in a cave. Ask your friends who Dash Berlin is.

Richie Hawtin (official page)
570,750
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Noisecontrollers
165,082
like this

Hmmmmm....

And it's not about the first 10 anyway, I agree on that part.

But I don't think there are actually 600.000 young-heads or trance-heads out there who are eager to vote , that was my point. Last year you had the girlfriend of one of the Poll's main supporter entering the chart. Now she's gone, Gabriel & Dresden at 11, Bob Sinclair disappearing and all sorts of clown-shit. To me it's fake and it hurts dance music by cementing the idea that only celebrities matter and nothing else and it has lost all connections to the dance culture.

As for myself, I'm not a fan of those 5-6 big MS names to begin with and I wasn't complaining .

[DIDI]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

thats ur cue to join the darkside di

[Rawrmune]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

Yeah a huge part of it is the surge of popularity of electronic music in mainstream culture with the younger generation in recent years (at least in the United States). There are a lot of people just getting into electronic who only know and therefore vote for only the more popular and well known/promoted artists (like Guetta, Armin Van Buuren, etc). I'm in university and I see this first hand. Whenever I hear electronic music playing at parties, around campus, etc., 9 times out of 10 it will be mainstream electronic music like deadmau5, Guetta, Skrillex, Dash Berlin. The majority of my friends who are into EDM are into electrohouse, pop trance, and dubstep, and almost none are into other genres like progressive house, techno, psytrance, etc. They all know Dash Berlin but practically none of them know John Digweed. It just doesn't seem to be very popular with the majority of EDM fans in my demographic.

If you just look at facebook, there are:
24,731,493 fans of David Guetta
3,580,907 fans of Armin Van Buuren
615,834 fans of Dash Berlin

Now compare that to the more popular artists on this forum:
316,490 fans of John Digweed
249,358 fans of Carl Cox
174,227 fans of Hernan Cattaneo

To me it's no big surprise that a lot of great artists have lost position or dropped off the poll.

[thebanned1]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

Richie Hawtin (official page)
570,750
like this

570,740 said to themselves "fuck that i,m not voting in a trance poll "

there are a number of factors why people don't vote and why people like richie go further down the poll but like i said previously it doesn't mean that they are less popular... @ the end of the day is just a piece of paper that says your dick has either grown or shrunk.

[simonr]

Re: Your worst nightmare (Top100)

It makes you wonder how many of the voters have been to a club and caught a proper DJ live.

Once you cast the voting outside of the magazine then you hit a maintsream catchment - another option would be to split the poll in two with pre-set names of 'mainstream' and 'underground'.

The RA poll should be interesting.