The Obama Impeachment

[ddr]

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Please tell me where in this video he says that someone on unemployment is worthless? Then when you can't find it, please tell me why you think that's what he's saying, instead of what he actually is saying.

Not in that 1:07 video but he has said over and over about how Obama voters are increasingly "dependent on government" and how they have no need to look for work because of it. That to me is, essentially writing us off as worthless Americans who are a drain on the economy. That is simply not true and an arrogant way of thinking about those who receive government assistance in order to keep their home and eat on a day-to-day basis.

I agree there are people taking advantage of it, because he is taking advantage of the capital gains rate because its "legal" why is it OK for rich people to take social security when they have millions in the bank but not OK for poor people to take almost the same assistance in order to stay off the street?

[ddr]

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So instead of paying less taxes, you would like to pay more taxes? Would paying more taxes get you out into the economy to spend your money and help businesses profit, expand, and hire more workers?

Oh, by the way, I drive past a fast food restaurant every day and I've seen a "now hiring" sign in the window for weeks. Yet the unemployment office is across the street and there are lines out the door. Would you except a job at a fast food restaurant or be a cashier at a supermarket so you can be employed again? Just a rhetorical question, please don't take offense to it.

Yes, I would be happy to pay more taxes if it were to help the economy and our debt problem. Why shouldn't we?

As for your last question, no.. I wouldn't. I have a college degree in Accounting and working on my CPA license. If I accept that job, then my college career--all of my hard work and money I paid for college is essentially worthless. That aside, a minimum wage job wouldn't be enough to pay for my bills at the moment. There is a difference between accepting any work available and accepting work that you worked for and deserve.

[clintlove]

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He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?

[clintlove]

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Yes, I would be happy to pay more taxes if it were to help the economy and our debt problem. Why shouldn't we?

As for your last question, no.. I wouldn't. I have a college degree in Accounting and working on my CPA license. If I accept that job, then my college career--all of my hard work and money I paid for college is essentially worthless. That aside, a minimum wage job wouldn't be enough to pay for my bills at the moment. There is a difference between accepting any work available and accepting work that you worked for and deserve.

Why would that be considered worthless? Because you're accepting employment where you can find it? Regardless of your degree man, you need to work and earn an income right? Obviously, finding a accounting job in your area isn't happening, or at least not at the moment. Would you really rather sit at home, collecting money from the government, than be out in the workforce; regardless of what type of workforce it is? Even with an income that doesn't completely pay your bills, you can still get government assistance to help with the difference. At least you would be employed, paying taxes and be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I don't get it. Myself, I would (and have), swallow my pride and accept any job available to me, regardless if it's in my field or not.

[res0nat0r]

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He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?

So almost HALF of the USA are actually lazy bastards and not looking for work at all and are trying to leech off the system? Sure doesn't seem like it from where I've lived in the USA over the last year.

[ddr]

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He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?

I know he isnt talking about me, personally, he is talking about the different programs that I am a part of and personal family members have been a part of, so to a point, he is. I do think for myself though, thank you, I don't sit in a room and watch MSNBC all day and not hear the other side. I always take in other points of view and figure out what makes the most sense using truth, logic and reason.

And not all "rich" people work... some are born into it and don't have to work their asses off like some of us that are born into poor or middle class family's, so there is some difference there. Rich people do have a lot more options than the rest of us, most notably access to stocks and the like, ie: making money off of money. Capital Gains rate is way too low and it was a big mistake for Clinton to lower it, in order to work with the other side--but that is government, compromising in order to find a middle ground that will work... something that has totally gone into the trash in recent years.

[clintlove]

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I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...

[ddr]

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I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...

I agree.. but you missed the point about the CG rate being too low. There is a reason why the middle class has been shrinking over the past 30 years and the richer keep getting richer; that has a lot to do with it and so does the whole notion of "Trickle Down Economics" It doesn't work.

[clintlove]

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So almost HALF of the USA are actually lazy bastards and not looking for work at all and are trying to leech off the system? Sure doesn't seem like it from where I've lived in the USA over the last year.

No, but according to many movements (occupy comes to mind) and media outlets, they certainly feel like they are entitled to things we once used to have to work for. Money and opportunity doesn't usually land in your lap. It's called hard work, dedication, and maybe even some hard times, that give people the ability to pay for the things they think they are entitled to. There's no such thing as "free"; someone, somewhere pays for it; and right now it's you and me.

Wouldn't you like to know that someone in the white house is at least fighting to give people the opportunity to work again and earn their own living instead of taking it from people who do work and giving it to the people that don't or refuse to? I sure as hell would and it's not going to happen with Obama at the wheel.

[clintlove]

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I agree.. but you missed the point about the CG rate being too low. There is a reason why the middle class has been shrinking over the past 30 years and the richer keep getting richer; that has a lot to do with it and so does the whole notion of "Trickle Down Economics" It doesn't work.

No matter who you decide to vote for brother, there will always be "rich" people in America. Time to accept reality that there will always be some people who have more than you do, even if it's totally "unfair". Take the government regulations off the companies and businesses that those rich people own, decrease payroll and other business taxes, increase the opportunity that those business owners have to create more profit, and we'll finally find ourselves with jobs available; even accounting jobs

[ddr]

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No matter who you decide to vote for brother, there will always be "rich" people in America. Time to accept reality that there will always be some people who have more than you do, even if it's totally "unfair". Take the government regulations off the companies and businesses that those rich people own, decrease payroll and other business taxes, increase the opportunity that those business owners have to create more profit, and we'll finally find ourselves with jobs available; even accounting jobs

I do agree that there are some regulations that are unnecessary and not needed but there are some that are, particularly in the banking/Wall Street arena and also the Oil industry as well to name a couple that come to mind. Why give some company's free range when all they are going to do is screw up our economy, put oil into our oceans, and make some of our drinking water flammable? Some company's forget their fiduciary responsibility with respect to the public and their consumers and only care about the bottom line on a piece of paper.

And the good thing about being in the business/accounting profession is that there are plenty of jobs available... just waiting on that one to say, hey we want you! I talk to people all of the time that went through the same story as me and they are flabbergasted at how much success I have had in getting hits. It's only a matter of time my friend

[floridaorange]

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I'd like for everyone who has 30 minutes to watch this Interview with Michael Lewis, about the book he wrote about Obama after spending 5 months with him every day. Interesting stuff about OUR president:

Charlie Rose - Michael Lewis

Michael Lewis is an American contemporary non-fiction author.After graduating from the Isidore Newman School in New Orleans, Lewis received an art history degree from Princeton University and a Masters Degree in Economics from the London School of Economics. He went on to write several bestselling books, including “Liar’s Poker”, “The New New Thing”, “Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game” and “The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game”.
Lewis is currently a contributing writer to the “New York Times Magazine”, a columnist for Bloomberg, and a visiting fellow at the University of California, Berkeley.

[res0nat0r]

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I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...

This sounds really more of the problem with the US right now and not the solution. Why shouldn't those of us who can afford it pay extra to help others who can't? This is America right where we help each other out? Now it sounds like it is more 'Fuck you this is America, everything is mine'. That attitude then becomes 'Fuck me! I'm broke, I need help! Give me money!' when the times get tough. It doesn't go both ways.

We should be trying to help each other out not say fuck off everything is mine mine mine...

Wouldn't you like to know that someone in the white house is at least fighting to give people the opportunity to work again and earn their own living instead of taking it from people who do work and giving it to the people that don't or refuse to? I sure as hell would and it's not going to happen with Obama at the wheel.

No offense but I think you might see it a bit tainted being in NOLA and the city still having bad after affects of Katrina. I don't think there are as many people around the USA being lazy and looking for work as you think there are, there is probably a bigger amount of this there now just because of how devastated the city became because of the hurricane who are still struggling to find work in the area. I think the leeches have a much smaller economic impact than you think they do...

It doesn't matter what system is in place anyway there are always going to be people to try and milk the system. I don't know how trying to allow a few million more people healthcare coverage is going to fix that or how it is a bad thing.


Just my 2c

[res0nat0r]

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I'd like for everyone who has 30 minutes to watch this Interview with Michael Lewis, about the book he wrote about Obama after spending 5 months with him every day. Interesting stuff about OUR president:

Charlie Rose - Michael Lewis

I listened to The Big Short during my drive back across the US the other month. It was good.

[res0nat0r]

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Good summation right here: