Republicans?

[dtgunslinger]

Re: Republicans?

The smartest quote I have heard by a Bush so far has been Jeb, "My hands are tied. I cannot go against a court order or the Constitution." (DTGunslinger paraphrases quite nicely)

Did you think a Bush could be so smart and step aside? Not me.

Let her go, no matter what anyone stands to gain. Terri deserves to go to whatever you believe in as an afterlife. If God, Allah, Buddah (insert your denominational deity here) is around for her than she desreves to be with him. No self respecting believer in faith would deny her that, except all of those assholes on Capital hill right now.

[mylexicon]

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As a former card-carrying member of the republican party who got tired of non-republican behavior, I've got to know if any of you are starting to get irked with your party yet. For a party that is fundamentally based upon an idea that government ought not intrude upon citizens and states' rights, Bush and his buddies seem to be doing the exact opposite. Honestly, holding an emergency session of congress to push through a bill to see to it that the Terry Schiavo case, which has already been litigated ad infinitum in state court, would also be routed through the federal system, is the polar opposite of the party I once called my own.

No I'm not the least bit fed up. I have absolutely no interest in the case or
the gov's role, her husband has custody if he wants to kill her instead of
giving custody to the parents i guess i have to let it be. All power tends to
corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely----Lord Acton. That quote shows
that this isn't really political at all. If you give the government power it's going
to abuse it. It amazes me that with the events in Iraq and now Republican
interference in private family affairs that democrats still don't realize the benefits
of limited government. The writing is on the goddamn wall. As long as the
government has money, and lots of it......it will have the power to coerce,
influence, persuade, and deceive the American people. It's not rocket science.
Democrats tax money from companies and the wealthy, use it to buy
votes through grotesquely ineffecient social programs, then they lead poor
and middle class workers into the quagmire of class warfare.........that is the
real American tragedy.

P.S. lets not forget that the Schiavo case is clearly driven by the media, politicians
don't really care they are just responding to the media assault.

[toasty]

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It amazes me that with the events in Iraq and now Republican interference in private family affairs that democrats still don't realize the benefits of limited government.

I can't speak for deomcrats on the whole, but speaking for myself, I absolutely realize the benefits of limited government. I just wish the party that professes to have limited government at its center would actually practice it more regularly. That's the whole point of the post -- the right's intrusion into this poor family's private affairs is very un-Republican.

P.S. lets not forget that the Schiavo case is clearly driven by the media, politicians don't really care they are just responding to the media assault.

If I'm not mistaken, the media hadn't really taken hold of this story until Congress held an emergency session, and Bush actually took a break from his vacation, to see to it that this case made its way into the federal system. Since then, the media has been all over it, but the suggestion that politicians -- at least those on the right -- have been above the fray ignores what has actually happened over the last two weeks. Whether the politicians actually care about Terri Schiavo or if they are just pushing a political agenda is of course a debatable point, but I don't see Delay, Frist or Bush as a victim of the media here...

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This situation makes me ashamed to be called an American. I can't believe the family continues (and for the last time today in Atlanta) to push the courts and the politicians to show support for Terry. It doesn't take common sense to know that she's a vegitable and cannot act on her own free will. I can only see countries and allies mocking us for such ridiculous matters.

[fishingnut]

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where talking about the right of a mother and father and sister, and brother, to keep there daughter or sister alive. geez people can't you look threw all this jesus and political bull shit. even thou i feel different and would have pulled the plug. i understand how hard it is for people to let go of someone who is family. just imagine these where your parents, and they where trying to keep you alive, for what ever reason. wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you if you couldn't do it yourself. and from what i understand terrie has no clue on what going on, so what's the difference if you keep her alive or not she doesn't know the difference.

[toasty]

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where talking about the right of a mother and father and sister, and brother, to keep there daughter or sister alive. geez people can't you look threw all this jesus and political bull shit. even thou i feel different and would have pulled the plug. i understand how hard it is for people to let go of someone who is family. just imagine these where your parents, and they where trying to keep you alive, for what ever reason. wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you if you couldn't do it yourself. and from what i understand terrie has no clue on what going on, so what's the difference if you keep her alive or not she doesn't know the difference.

I don't necessarily disagree with you -- it would be really tough to pull the plug on someone I love, regardless of their condition. I'm just saying that the government has no business participating in this whole mess regardless of what side of the issue you happen to fall on. Ditto that for the media. It's a private matter, and the saddest thing about all of this, apart from the obvious fact that Terri will lose her life, is the circus it has become.

[fishingnut]

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all the government did was put there face in the news, i don't think they had any other motive. i also feel that we didn't get the hole story from either side, the politicians and the media just picked and chosed what they tought would get the people all riled up. but hey that's nothing new.

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The Los Angeles Times reported on March 27 that when DeLay's father was "badly injured in a freak accident at his home," leaving him "in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and oxygen equipment ... the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die." The paper noted DeLay's prominence in advocating the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

what a scumbag...

[fishingnut]

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The Los Angeles Times reported on March 27 that when DeLay's father was "badly injured in a freak accident at his home," leaving him "in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and oxygen equipment ... the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die." The paper noted DeLay's prominence in advocating the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

what a scumbag...

it might sound hipocritical but why, it says him and the FAMILY came to a consenses, the only person, that i know that wanted terri dead was her husband, her family wanted to keep her alive. am i wrong or just misinformed.

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The Los Angeles Times reported on March 27 that when DeLay's father was "badly injured in a freak accident at his home," leaving him "in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and oxygen equipment ... the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die." The paper noted DeLay's prominence in advocating the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

what a scumbag...

it might sound hipocritical but why, it says him and the FAMILY came to a consenses, the only person, that i know that wanted terri dead was her husband, her family wanted to keep her alive. am i wrong or just misinformed.

yes, you are right. but the people arguing to keep her alive are not arguing for a consensus (which may lead, like in the case of delay's family, to the pulling of all feeding tubes). delay and other republicans want to keep her alive because it's morally right, and so on (i.e., to appease the christian right to which they owe so much).

[thesightless]

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well, she passed early this morning...

god/allah/budda/yahweh whatever better do her right. shame her life was a fucking political tool for the end of it..

i can only hope that after all of this, she did indeed want a DNR and i hope her husband doesnt turn out to be a shady character. that would really make things worse for the family.

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well, she passed early this morning...

god/allah/budda/yahweh whatever better do her right. shame her life was a fucking political tool for the end of it..

i can only hope that after all of this, she did indeed want a DNR and i hope her husband doesnt turn out to be a shady character. that would really make things worse for the family.

heh, well technically god and allah are the same.

anyway, jesse jackson is on cnn now. this ought to be good. i wonder how long it takes for our media to completely forget about this whole story. i give it 24 hours? man, they are so fickle.

as for the husband, he will probably get a nice talk show or reality tv show for all his troubles.

[fishingnut]

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moral issue my ass, they are just trying to get votes, he's going to say anything that might get him some more votes. he new he can jump on the christian bad wagon.

[fishingnut]

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well, she passed early this morning...

god/allah/budda/yahweh whatever better do her right. shame her life was a fucking political tool for the end of it..

i can only hope that after all of this, she did indeed want a DNR and i hope her husband doesnt turn out to be a shady character. that would really make things worse for the family.

heh, well technically god and allah are the same.

anyway, jesse jackson is on cnn now. this ought to be good. i wonder how long it takes for our media to completely forget about this whole story. i give it 24 hours? man, they are so fickle.

as for the husband, he will probably get a nice talk show or reality tv show for all his troubles.

don't forget the made for tv movie that will probably hit every network

[acmatos]

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Despite what most of you think there are people that didn't view Terri as a political tool. I was opposed to removing her feeding tubes from the beginning, not for political purposes but because I respect her life and her parents wishes. If her family is willing to take care of her, then what's the problem?? What kind of a sick person spends 13 years of his life trying to make sure someone dies? Oh because he loved her so much and wanted to see her wishes through?..that's bullshit! If he loved her so much, why is it that he has a new family? I say there's money behind this.

Also, many of you think that the Judiciary is some kind of untouchable entity. This is entirely false. The judiciary is there to interpret laws made by legislators. The judges had every right to make this decision now, but the legislature(Congress) has every right to change the laws at any time. It's called Statutory Reversal and is one of the checks(among others) that is placed on the judiciary by the Constitution. That how our system works. Until now, judges had never been regarded in this way. We've been conned into thinking that they are above the law and, in fact, make the law. Regardless of what political side you are on, this is a serious problem that has to be addressed. Otherwise, all our rights will be jeopardized by the courts.

You all can be glad now that Terri's dead and the "circus" is over.