Election Poll

[88Mariner]

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Agreed, adoption is definitely the best alternative. It's likely though when given a choice between giving birth for adoption or having an abortion, most would choose the latter.


Again though, an abortion isn't something that just happens to a woman's body, it's killing a life that has begun. If killing is against the law, why is the line drawn inside the womb. I don't understand why that's ok or just a woman's choice.

I've never heard of a sperm fertilizing an egg on the bedsheets or inside a condom or on a stomach or on a face, or like Dave Chappelle says, inside the fishtank.

It's curious that the Democrats are pro-choice: don't they understand how badly this country needs more taxpayers and welfare recipients? They're practically shooting themselves in the vagina here! I mean foot. Shooting themselves in the foot.

[clintlove]

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Also, I just want to add, for the sake of conversation, that I'm not pro-choice, but PRO-Abortion, given that most abortions will simply be one less democrat on average.

So ladies, please line up and have that fetus sucked out of you since the last thing this country needs is one more welfare sucking criminal.

[dig72]

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Obama to hang around for a little while yet.

[floridaorange]

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It was pretty clear to me that he would win, congrats to our President on his re-election four more years baby!

[Illuminate]

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Not really surprised on the result amongst the pre election hype. Personally would have preferred someone different for the heck of it.

Question: Did Romney loose on immigration/women/monetary policies alone?

[Garrick]

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not good for the american defense industry, but sure hope he's our best pick for our country's sake. i might be looking for a new job soon.

[toasty]

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Question: Did Romney loose on immigration/women/monetary policies alone?

Policy, etc. aside, I think he ultimately lost for the same reason John Kerry lost in 2004 -- he's a guy that essentially won the party nomination by default against an unpopular president, but that no one in his party was all that excited about. Of course, you can dissect various positions, but when I think about what actually drives voters, I think it all flows back to fact that he just wasn't a great candidate. There are other parallels to Kerry as well, such as being from Massachusetts (obviously), being so wealthy that he's completely out of touch with the way most people live, and being perceived as willing to change positions as needed to be electable, but I think it ultimately came down to him being a bit of a dud.

I will say this, though -- given the demographic shift in this country, the GOP needs to do something to court the hispanic vote or they are going to be in real trouble in the years ahead. The perception that the GOP's policies are anti-Hispanic immigrant leads to them getting killed in that demographic, and it was worse for the GOP in this regard this year than it was in 2008. It no doubt helped take a state like New Mexico off the table for Romney, and could actually put a state like Texas in play for the Dems 2 or 3 cycles from now. If the GOP loses Texas (and probably Arizona, one would assume) as a reliably red state, and their paths to 270 start to look pretty convoluted.

[88Mariner]

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Policy, etc. aside, I think he ultimately lost for the same reason John Kerry lost in 2004 -- he's a guy that essentially won the party nomination by default against an unpopular president, but that no one in his party was all that excited about. Of course, you can dissect various positions, but when I think about what actually drives voters, I think it all flows back to fact that he just wasn't a great candidate. There are other parallels to Kerry as well, such as being from Massachusetts (obviously), being so wealthy that he's completely out of touch with the way most people live, and being perceived as willing to change positions as needed to be electable, but I think it ultimately came down to him being a bit of a dud.

I will say this, though -- given the demographic shift in this country, the GOP needs to do something to court the hispanic vote or they are going to be in real trouble in the years ahead. The perception that the GOP's policies are anti-Hispanic immigrant leads to them getting killed in that demographic, and it was worse for the GOP in this regard this year than it was in 2008. It no doubt helped take a state like New Mexico off the table for Romney, and could actually put a state like Texas in play for the Dems 2 or 3 cycles from now. If the GOP loses Texas (and probably Arizona, one would assume) as a reliably red state, and their paths to 270 start to look pretty convoluted.

Yes. Court the hispanic vote. As if they could do it better than the Democrats? If not the hispanic vote, then the single female vote. If not the female vote then pander to the blacks. the asians.

Truthfully we already have a party that offers free everything - what in the hell makes you think a second party offering the same would be of any use?

Perhaps this is because you're as obtuse as those who are not interested in history, who frown upon reading, and embrace the quick fix versus the long gains of discipline.

I never thought of this before but you are eroding my doubts, and perhaps on purpose? I cannot say for sure.

The Republicans will never be in the White House again. They will be lucky to hold the House for two more years, but I predict the demographic shift forecloses them on ever leading a branch of government again. SCOTUS will be packed.

I know you read the Federalist Papers in law school: what is your take on the absence of gridlock when one party controls the branches of government (as well as the civil service bureaucracy) ....forever?

Toasty, does this sit well with you? Perhaps it does. It is a very sugary thought. The blood rush of controlling everything! But when you control everything, you control nothing: just ask any chinese person living in china how much they are involved in their government.

I'm curious: Does this sit well with you? I'm honestly interested in knowing how you think this will pan out long term. I've laid out the framework that will happen, how would you color it?

If you think my forecasting is wrong, I challenge you to correct it. I do not think you will be able to. That would require you to submit that the Republicans and conservatives will 'rise again,' as it were. But I know that we both know that won't happen. But again the challenge is there.

Personally, I think the Republican party should split so that they can never win an election ever again. It will make the transition to let authoritarianism that much easier and hopefully bloodless.

After all, dissenters are normally executed under such environments.

I hope we are long and dead when they round up the last of the dissenters.

[vinnie97]

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Amidst your postulation, I suppose you're factoring in the realization that a rounding up of the dissenters in this country may not go as the controllers plan, correct? I would think you'd prefer to be dead before even the first is imprisoned.

[res0nat0r]

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Yes. Court the hispanic vote. As if they could do it better than the Democrats? If not the hispanic vote, then the single female vote. If not the female vote then pander to the blacks. the asians.

Truthfully we already have a party that offers free everything - what in the hell makes you think a second party offering the same would be of any use?

Perhaps this is because you're as obtuse as those who are not interested in history, who frown upon reading, and embrace the quick fix versus the long gains of discipline.

I never thought of this before but you are eroding my doubts, and perhaps on purpose? I cannot say for sure.

The Republicans will never be in the White House again. They will be lucky to hold the House for two more years, but I predict the demographic shift forecloses them on ever leading a branch of government again. SCOTUS will be packed.

I know you read the Federalist Papers in law school: what is your take on the absence of gridlock when one party controls the branches of government (as well as the civil service bureaucracy) ....forever?

Toasty, does this sit well with you? Perhaps it does. It is a very sugary thought. The blood rush of controlling everything! But when you control everything, you control nothing: just ask any chinese person living in china how much they are involved in their government.

I'm curious: Does this sit well with you? I'm honestly interested in knowing how you think this will pan out long term. I've laid out the framework that will happen, how would you color it?

If you think my forecasting is wrong, I challenge you to correct it. I do not think you will be able to. That would require you to submit that the Republicans and conservatives will 'rise again,' as it were. But I know that we both know that won't happen. But again the challenge is there.

Personally, I think the Republican party should split so that they can never win an election ever again. It will make the transition to let authoritarianism that much easier and hopefully bloodless.

After all, dissenters are normally executed under such environments.

I hope we are long and dead when they round up the last of the dissenters.

There is more rhetoric in that post than Karl Rove's insanity he was spitting out last nite on Fox News.

[88Mariner]

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Amidst your postulation, I suppose you're factoring in the realization that a rounding up of the dissenters in this country may not go as the controllers plan, correct? I would think you'd prefer to be dead before even the first is imprisoned.

The other side of the coin is simply secession.

It is an option. It's that, or flee. (and renounce citizenship so you won't be taxed!)

It won't happen tomorrow. It won't happen in five years either.

It's not about Controllers, either. I'm not sure what that even means, in fact.

You assume they have a plan. That's where you are incorrect, I think. There's no plan. It's simply an organism composed of, primarily, the media as the mouth, the civil service bureaucracy as the internal organs, and universities as the asshole. unlike biological norms, this creature has a digestive system that flows in reverse.

there is no plan. it simply exists - and evolves to perpetuate itself over all obstacles.

There is no plan.

it just 'is'.

There is very little stopping it from happening, however.

Could you picture a progressive demanding the government to cease rounding up dissenters or possible threats to the 'organism' I have described above? They only shout against stuff like that when they're not in power. Case in point: no pleading with Obama to quit drone murders. (The only ones speaking of this are the Libertarians and they're a lost cause anyways).

[88Mariner]

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There is more rhetoric in that post than Karl Rove's insanity he was spitting out last nite on Fox News.

When you quit being vapid, you can join the discussion.

You watch Fox News? So disappointing. What the fuck is your problem again?

I know there is no cure for constant attention whoring. Not until the DSM-VI is released, I suppose.

[res0nat0r]

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I like to hear what the other side is saying, it is a smart way to be. You know not just talking and spewing on about crazy one sided nonsense all of the time...

[88Mariner]

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I like to hear what the other side is saying, it is a smart way to be. You know not just talking and spewing on about crazy one sided nonsense all of the time...

What side? Is it black and white to you? Us versus them?

I'm not on a side. Is it a smart way to be? Well, sure, but not if you respond with pictures of owls. What have you added to this thread? A quick snarky line (oooh! clever!) and a picture of owls.

We'd all be happy if you added something of substance at some point...sometime....ever....

[res0nat0r]

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Plz dont turn into Chunky Part Two and start complaining about pics. I've said plenty of things in this thread that are just fine. With less words too