I'll live with the TSA, I just don't understand mass-murder

[go0gle]

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This is a very extreme case.. I don't think that stricter gun control would make a difference. A person like that will find a way to do whatever it is they have on their mind. Maybe a better mental health program overall, and a proof of such on point of purchase a firearm.. or something along the lines..but even then I guess it will be easy to "Fake" your psychological evaluation.. or.. go off for some reason after that..

[Baader Meinhof]

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Christmas, as usual starts with the sound of another damn funeral march through the town One less for Saint Nicholas there's nothing so vile Or as sad and ridiculous the coffin of a child but idiots still hang on to some stupid scripture from nearly 250 years ago

[Highsteppa]

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This is a very extreme case.. I don't think that stricter gun control would make a difference. A person like that will find a way to do whatever it is they have on their mind. Maybe a better mental health program overall, and a proof of such on point of purchase a firearm.. or something along the lines..but even then I guess it will be easy to "Fake" your psychological evaluation.. or.. go off for some reason after that..

That's the thing - the guns weren't even under the shooter's name. They were under the name of his mother - a teacher at that same school that got shot up.

Why does an elementary teacher need to buy a .223 Bushmaster Assault Rifle and two handguns? Or was she getting it for her son?

[floridaorange]

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more info on the shooter:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ … clear.html

One source tells the New York Daily NewsLanza “was like one of these real brainiac computer kind of kids.” One thing everyone seems to be able to agree on is that Lanza likely had some sort of mental disability or developmental disorder. One law enforcement official tells the Associated Press Adam Lanza might have suffered from a personality disorder and the New York Timesreports that several who knew Lanza in high school had been told he had Asperger’s syndrome, a high functioning form of autism.

It certainly seems he had several tell-tale signs of the disorder, often making those around him nervous because he was painfully shy and seemed to struggle to be social and form connections with people. It was evident Lanza “had a condition,” a neighbor tells the New York Post. “You definitely notice it,” he added. Lanza was “kind of, like, needy. I wouldn’t say antisocial, but struggling to be social.” One “family insider” tells the New York Daily NewsLanza “was a deeply disturbed kid,” who “had major issues” and “was subject to outbursts.” A 25-year-old neighbor who sometimes watched Adam Lanza when his mother would go out with friends said he was on medication, reports the Washington Post.

Several people describe Lanza as withdrawn and awkward but not threatening. “Overall, I would just call him a socially awkward kid, I don’t know, shy and quiet. Didn’t really look you in the eye,” a former neighbor said. “Just kind of a weird kid, maybe.”

Former classmates recall how Lanza dressed more formally than other students, often wearing button-down shirts and a pocket protector, reports Reuters. The tech club that Lanza was a part of was “definitely the nerdiest club in the school,” a classmate said. Members often got together for gaming parties. Many have been quick to describe Lanza as smart and academically driven, an assessment that seems to be supported by the fact that Lanza “made the honor roll with highest honors,” according to the Los Angeles Times.

[floridaorange]

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Nancy Lanza was an avid gun collector who once showed him a "really nice, high-end rifle" that she had purchased, said Dan Holmes, owner of a landscaping business who recently decorated her yard with Christmas garlands and lights. "She said she would often go target shooting with her kids."


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/15

[sbando]

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This is a very extreme case.. I don't think that stricter gun control would make a difference. A person like that will find a way to do whatever it is they have on their mind. Maybe a better mental health program overall, and a proof of such on point of purchase a firearm.. or something along the lines..but even then I guess it will be easy to "Fake" your psychological evaluation.. or.. go off for some reason after that..

Pleaze! Stahp!

Extreme case when this happens twice a year? And, YES, MAYBE free health program so that even these stray dogs can get the best care available.

Most of all, STOP SELLING heaver weaponry in supermarkets.

[dusk]

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I have no words. My heart bleeds for these families, there is nothing worse than a parent having to bury a child.

All this talk about gun control etc is crazy, nothing is ever as it seems. I hope this thread does not turn into a stupid political debate.

[sbando]

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God forbid!
Crazy how? It's not about "gun control", it's about making it hard or near impossible for nut cases to have easy access to cannons, gas masks, tanks. Since kids died, instead of teens or 20 yo's, this is worse? And needs prayers, silence and hypocritical speeches like Clinton Bubba @ Columbine? This should have been solved YEARS ago.

[Highsteppa]

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God forbid!
Crazy how? It's not about "gun control", it's about making it hard or near impossible for nut cases to have easy access to cannons, gas masks, tanks. Since kids died, instead of teens or 20 yo's, this is worse? And needs prayers, silence and hypocritical speeches like Clinton Bubba @ Columbine? This should have been solved YEARS ago.

I'd take this a step further and say that it's not so much to restrict access to nutcases as much as it is having something so readily available and accessible that can end someone's life when someone becomes upset or angered.

[feather]

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Maybe it's hard to ban guns or police it, but this government has to start somewhere. Start with no guns, and progressively remove the guns in possessions. And anyone caught with guns should be punished.

Will this happen overnight? No. Will it solve the problem overnight? No. But I believe it will over time, over generations.

Take guns out of the equation and the system adjusts itself over time. No access to the weapons. Remove the idea that you can buy a gun. Remove the idea that a bullet is a possible recourse to a grievance. Erase the notion that a bullet could even be a solution.

Sure some other psycho will find another way, but at least that psycho will have one LESS option in his arsenal. Is that not worth it?

This is just so mind boggling.

I don't know the person who said that 'can't prepare' quote, but you know, a fucking pigeon flying over you and shitting on your head is something you can't fucking prepare for.

I've gone from not caring about American politics to thinking this government is a joke, paralyzed by 'democracy'.

Some things should just be common sense and consideration. Some things shouldn't be up for a 'democratic' debate. Some things you don't need an opinion or a specialist or a lobbyist to tell you.

Like sticking your hand in a fire and burning yourself. Like walking in front of a car. Like jumping onto the train tracks. Like running with a pair of scissors or giving a knife to someone blade first. And selling guns.

This is just so completely senseless.

[go0gle]

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Sure some other psycho will find another way, but at least that psycho will have one LESS option in his arsenal. Is that not worth it?

True... it would make it more difficult, but not impossible.. they can still find a gun, or find another way to hurt other people. Violence seems to be deeply ingrained in the human psyche, otherwise we won't have cases like this. I know that to most of us can't even begin to grasp what went trough his mind, and the drive behind it.. but as scary as this is, I will bet anyone that there is someone out there right now that is probably saying "oh, ya... I can see his point.. " and there is absolutely nothing you could do about where that might lead, or whatever.

I'd take this a step further and say that it's not so much to restrict access to nutcases as much as it is having something so readily available and accessible that can end someone's life when someone becomes upset or angered.

A lot of people die from stabbings every year.. what do you propose we do about that ? I am not saying that the scale is comparable, but.. you see my point. You can buy I knife from a pet store. You really can't prevent a violent mind from acting on its impulses by taking away the probable tools.. the list is endless. It will be more like damage control, simply because that same violence needs to manifest itself out somehow. What I am saying is that the problem is much, much deeper than stricter gun control. I guess if we were that evolved as a species, guns wouldn't even exist. Don't forget that the second world war was only 70 years ago... so.. we have problems. But yes.. I agree, we should start somewhere.

[nick007]

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What an absolute tragedy. My heart goes out to the families of the children. No parent deserves to bury their child. Thats not the order of things.

[Highsteppa]

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A lot of people die from stabbings every year.. what do you propose we do about that ? I am not saying that the scale is comparable, but.. you see my point. You can buy I knife from a pet store. You really can't prevent a violent mind from acting on its impulses by taking away the probable tools.. the list is endless. It will be more like damage control, simply because that same violence needs to manifest itself out somehow. What I am saying is that the problem is much, much deeper than stricter gun control. I guess if we were that evolved as a species, guns wouldn't even exist. Don't forget that the second world war was only 70 years ago... so.. we have problems. But yes.. I agree, we should start somewhere.

It's not the same thing - you're comparing apples to oranges, and with a knife you have to get up close to the person, it's way easier to kill a person from a distance and with that distance you're able to dehumanize a person moreso than when you're up close and in their face with a knife. Unless you're very skilled with a knife or land a lucky shot, it's more difficult to kill someone than with a gun. Compare stabbings to shootings in the United States and you still have a huge difference in numbers, heavily in favor of shootings. Hell, compare the survival rates of both and you'll see more people surviving stabbings over shootings. The link that was provided about the Chinese stabbings and 22 wounded just illustrates that.

[floridaorange]

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The kid was not right mentally, the brother hadn't even talked with Adam in years, and they were close in age. I think this kid was living in some kind of derranged metal hell and had open access to a bunch of weapons. This has got to be the beginning of some change in our society where kids like these are no longer ignored and parents who own more than a BB gun are checked up on by police...kinda like fire extinguishers are checked in classrooms. My dad owns about 7 guns for hunting. I never had any idea on how to access any of them growing up.

[Highsteppa]

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