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  • floridaorange
    I'm merely a humble butler
    • Dec 2005
    • 29116

    Why American's and Brits have different accents....

    I'm sure most of you geniuses already knew all of this, but for us regular folk, I thought there were a couple details that were interesting:

    Why Do Americans and Brits Have Different Accents? | When Did American and British Accents Diverge? | English Pronunciation | LiveScience

    and also: Why Do Brits and Americans Spell Words Differently? | LiveScience

    In 1776, whether you were declaring America independent from the crown or swearing your
    loyalty
    to King George III, your pronunciation would have been much the same. At that time, American and British accents hadn't yet diverged. What's surprising, though, is that Hollywood costume dramas get it all wrong: The Patriots and the Redcoats spoke with accents that were much closer to the contemporary American accent than to the Queen's English.
    It is the standard British accent that has drastically changed in the past two centuries, while the typical American accent has changed only subtly.
    Traditional English, whether spoken in the British Isles or the American colonies, was largely "rhotic." Rhotic speakers pronounce the "R" sound in such words as "hard" and "winter," while non-rhotic speakers do not. Today, however, non-rhotic speech is common throughout most of Britain. For example, most modern Brits would tell you it's been a "hahd wintuh." [Why Do Brits and Americans Spell Words Differently?]
    It was around the time of the American Revolution that non-rhotic speech came into use among the upper class in southern England, in and around London. According to John Algeo in "The Cambridge History of the English Language" (Cambridge
    University
    Press, 2001), this shift occurred because people of low birth rank who had become wealthy during the Industrial Revolution were seeking ways to distinguish themselves from other commoners; they cultivated the prestigious non-rhotic pronunciation in order to demonstrate their new upper-class status.
    "London pronunciation became the prerogative of a new breed of specialists — orthoepists and
    teachers
    of elocution. The orthoepists decided upon correct pronunciations, compiled pronouncing dictionaries and, in private and expensive tutoring sessions, drilled enterprising citizens in fashionable articulation," Algeo wrote.
    The lofty manner of speech developed by these specialists gradually became standardized — it is officially called "Received Pronunciation" — and it spread across Britain. However, people in the north of England, Scotland and Ireland have largely maintained their traditional rhotic accents. [In Photos: A Treasure Trove of Britain's Old Newspapers]
    Most American accents have also remained rhotic, with some exceptions: New York and Boston accents have become non-rhotic. According to Algeo, after the Revolutionary War, these cities were "under the strongest influence by the British elite."

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  • audrey_w
    Gold Gabber
    • Jan 2013
    • 731

    #2
    Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

    History and Nationality are both very interesting subjects

    Weird that the story carries a picture of an African family meeting a German woman ??

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    • floridaorange
      I'm merely a humble butler
      • Dec 2005
      • 29116

      #3
      Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

      Originally posted by audrey_w

      Weird that the story carries a picture of an African family meeting a German woman ??
      Only to the extent that it shows how much a persons environment influences how they speak I suppose.

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      • audrey_w
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        • Jan 2013
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        #4
        Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

        I don't think a picture can show us much about environments' influence on speech

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        • floridaorange
          I'm merely a humble butler
          • Dec 2005
          • 29116

          #5
          Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

          Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.

          It was fun while it lasted...

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          • feather
            Shanghai ooompa loompa
            • Jul 2004
            • 20895

            #6
            Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

            I didn't know the English accent was spoken to appear more upper class but it makes sense, even now that accent sounds very uppity; there is an 'airiness and lightness' that makes it appear as though the speaker is above it all.

            The Singaporean accent is indecipherable when we speak English. Back in the day when people began to return from abroad, they would also speak with an adopted accent, sometimes in a very fake manner, to differentiate themselves. I found that quite irritating and offensive.

            I often struggle with accents since I'm a foreigner everywhere, but made a conscious effort to NOT pick up any accent.

            As a writer I communicate a lot better with the written language than spoken, and my accent doesn't help my case. The lack of an easily recognised and understood accent is also a hazard at work because a native English speaker will always be skeptical of a writer who doesn't speak/sound native.

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            • nelinho
              Are you Kidding me??
              • Sep 2011
              • 4530

              #7
              Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

              Take a bunch of dirty chavs, stick them on an island and let them breed for 225 (?)years and you have the nasal sounding Australian. (Pronounced 'strayan)

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              • Chez
                Banned
                • Oct 2012
                • 49

                #8
                Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                Originally posted by floridaorange
                Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.
                If a dog is born in a barn it doesn't make it horse!

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                • nelinho
                  Are you Kidding me??
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 4530

                  #9
                  Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                  Those who speak singlish say la

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                  • audrey_w
                    Gold Gabber
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 731

                    #10
                    Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                    Originally posted by floridaorange
                    Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.
                    Not so much a weird photo, just a weird association. Our views of nationality and nationalism are clearly so far apart as to make it difficult to discuss.
                    Let's just say that I believe we are all human beings, after that it's mostly conditioning of peoples' perceptions that create differences where truly there are none.

                    Just as an aside, as language is part of what we are discussing, can you tell me why you add an apostrophe in error when talking of American's and Obama's but you don't when you talk of Brits and the Queen?

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                    • floridaorange
                      I'm merely a humble butler
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 29116

                      #11
                      Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                      ^Not "Brits" was because the title of the article didn't add an apostrophe to "Brits" so I took that authors lead on that one... it's not a word I have used very much. In the future I shall think of you Audrey and always add a " ' " if and when I ever type the word "Brit's" again.

                      One Brit, two Brits, or two Brit's? - WordReference Forums

                      Not adding an "apostrophe" to the end of Queen??? where should I have?

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                      • floridaorange
                        I'm merely a humble butler
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 29116

                        #12
                        Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                        Originally posted by Chez
                        If a dog is born in a barn it doesn't make it horse!
                        That literally makes no sense at all. I don't compare human beings race to different breeds of animal, sorry.

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                        • floridaorange
                          I'm merely a humble butler
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 29116

                          #13
                          Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                          Originally posted by audrey_w
                          Let's just say that I believe we are all human beings, after that it's mostly conditioning of peoples' perceptions that create differences where truly there are none.
                          So are you saying you think it's not a coincidence that the publisher of that article chose that photo? I guess I didn't read into the photo as much as you did. I still don't fully understand how the photo doesn't represent 3 individuals, 2 of which have different accents.

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                          • Chez
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 49

                            #14
                            Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                            Originally posted by floridaorange
                            That literally makes no sense at all. I don't compare human beings race to different breeds of animal, sorry.
                            and thats where you are going wrong, Just because you are born somewhere you don't have no right to say this is mine. What sort of cunt thinks human beings are different to any other animals .

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                            • floridaorange
                              I'm merely a humble butler
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 29116

                              #15
                              Re: Why American's and Brits have different accents....

                              Originally posted by Chez
                              What sort of cunt thinks human beings are different to any other animals .
                              Evidently this cunt does. Sorry you have to resort to name calling in order to get your point across. Good luck with that.

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