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  • floridaorange
    I'm merely a humble butler
    • Dec 2005
    • 29116

    #16
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    What'e comes off snobbish is when people suggest that others should appreciate what they appreciate because of it's intellectual stimulatory properties. When in actuality perhaps those individuals that enjoy Steve Akoi or whatever get their intellectual stimulation elsewhere, like say country music or classical or driving trucks through mud, what have you. People are different, and come upon intellectual stimulation in different arenas of life at different times for different reasons. Lets face it, many of us started with Paul Oakenfold or Dj Keoki or R-Fresh or Dj Icey... Breakbeats and Drum and Bass, etc... it's not like that shit is necessarily "intellectually stimulating" to us now, but then, when all we cared about was getting high and fucking chicks, that's what we enjoyed. I think the superstar DJ's have figured out, just like every other genre of music, how to EXPLOIT the raging hormones of the youth and therefore play music that is basically a cheap thrill to us older folks. Couple that with the new social media, networking, lack of clubbing landscape, and there you have it. Even the clubs that do exist mostly make their profits off of dj's that will play bass dropping tracks, etc. So rather than criticize may as well accept it to a certain extent.

    At the end of the day - I think it's cool music is reaching people that would probably otherwise not go out and hear live music at all... I think probably half of these festival goers wouldn't go to clubs anyway.

    Watch the Grammy's or Billboard Awards or any other music related award show. It's the same people winning everything. Justin Timberlake, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Jay Z, Florida Georgia Line, Bruno Mars, Shakira, etc. So in my opinion, compared to the mainstream music that all these kids listen to, this shitty EDM music is better than that^^. And ^that is what the mainstream population of kids all listen to because it's what's marketed toward them by clear channel or whatever.

    BTW, this doesn't mean that there isn't a large populace of younger people who enjoy intellectually stimulating environments with music, there just isn't enough of it being played anymore because it probably doesn't equal profits.

    It was fun while it lasted...

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    • unkle
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      • Mar 2007
      • 10174

      #17
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      Omid seems to be angry too.




      OMID 16B: THINGS NEED TO CHANGE

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      • feather
        Shanghai ooompa loompa
        • Jul 2004
        • 20900

        #18
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        No I never said people should appreciate something the same way as others. I pointed out the different ways of appreciating the same thing and what one hopes to get out of it.

        Since we're talking about festivals I limited my discussion of stimulation to EDM. I don't doubt everyone gets stimulation outside of festivals and EDM.

        It doesn't bother me that people enjoy the festivals and go, because I'm not there I agree with what Troxler said and wrote what I posted for the sake of discussion. You can bet the festival goers aren't talking about us old farts moaning about the scene

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        • floridaorange
          I'm merely a humble butler
          • Dec 2005
          • 29116

          #19
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          nope. there busy staring at half naked chicks twerking to bass heavy Trap music

          It was fun while it lasted...

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          • floridaorange
            I'm merely a humble butler
            • Dec 2005
            • 29116

            #20
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            Originally posted by unkle
            Omid seems to be angry too.




            OMID 16B: THINGS NEED TO CHANGE

            Def agree with Omid... and I've been saying this for a while now:



            too many copy cats. Perhaps Troxler was saying the same thing, I'm not sure. I didn't really look at it as having a major impact on the entire scene so far as producers not being able to afford to put out new music. But then again, making money with music hasn't really been viable since pirating began. That's not new is it? Sounds like the new owner of Beatport is doing what shitty owners of companies do, trying to make more money at the expense of everything good.

            It was fun while it lasted...

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            • Illuminate
              DUDERZ get a life!!!
              • Aug 2009
              • 5152

              #21
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              Originally posted by Huggie Smiles
              concert of cunts. indeed.

              HOWEVER, the fact that tens of thousands ? hundreds of thousands? of people go and enjoy it - and keep going back for more, seems like the masses have spoken. Just cos you/we/I don't enjoy it doesn't mean they shouldn't.

              and i refer you to this vid if you need more:

              SNL hits up Davvincii - when will the bass drop ?
              ^Still cracks me up.

              HOWEVER, you do raise a good point about people getting out there for the enjoyment, no matter how shite the music may sound. I'll admit to the fact that I too have been to many pointless festivals, where I personally would have thought if I had not been on drugs, this would have been the biggest waste of time, money, effort, and exuberance within my personal capabilities in correlation to the laws surrounding the existence of the universe.

              Are we all getting to the 'grumpy' old-man/women stage where within our objectives we had failed to accept change? Or is a festival with more so known for its carnival atmosphere a little too fucking much?

              Personally as age gets to me, I can't quite say if I hate anything new because I fail to accept change or if I realise I have a personal hate to anything that is inconsistent to my predicaments. E.g. KKK towards African Americans?

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              • Illuminate
                DUDERZ get a life!!!
                • Aug 2009
                • 5152

                #22
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                Omid's article is WORD.

                The One contains the Many, and the Many contains the One:
                Sbando
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                "Mankind has the propensity to fuck itself up on anything it lays its hands on."
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                • Illuminate
                  DUDERZ get a life!!!
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5152

                  #23
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                  I think this posted by Google from the Digweed 2014 thread, also adds to the argument, I think the class separation adds to the overall vibe of EDM, well I know this has been going on for years, probably since the dawn of EDM. I believe the best nights I've had in my life at a nightclub, have been evident in smaller clubs, of minimising all the bells and whistles, as JD puts it:

                  You've been around long enough to see many clubs come and go, what was different about the Vagabond?

                  I think the way The Vagabond was run and the nights programmed really tapped into the local crowd, offering a whole variation of different music based nights throughout the week. It had a real friends-and-family atmosphere and drinks were regular pub prices, which complemented the vibe. It didn't go for a VIP crowd, but made everyone feel like they were a VIP. All were made to feel welcome.

                  Do you think this is following any kind of general trend, where the smaller, earthier clubs are getting pushed about by the big shiny plastic ones?

                  I think people will always want to search out and find the more raw and underground clubs. If everyone went to the same style clubs it would be boring. When you find an intimate place like The Vagabond you can really open up people's eyes into how much fun they really have in a club without having to distract them with unnecessary bells and whistles.

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                  Sbando
                  - You Will Be Missed.

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                  • tribalcho
                    Gold Gabber
                    • May 2008
                    • 925

                    #24
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                    ''I find the the hero worship of Seth Toxler as he betrays the scene that made him rich, a scene he gladly became part of, a scene that is a grotesque incarnation derived for the obscene enrichment of the few at the expense of the many, both sad and pathetic.
                    Since when did vacuous hypocrisy and two-faced backstabbing become acceptable? What is wrong with people? The very reason Toxler sold out the scene in exchange for dollars is the same reason he is spouting this duplicitous crap.
                    Instead of cheering him on because he has conned you into thinking he has finally seen the light, ask him to cancel every EDM festival he is booked to play for the next 12 months and then see what the response will be. If he feels this strongly about it, he wont have an issue standing by his principles will he? Methinks you will find Mr Toxler has as much integrity as the EDM festivals he plays at.''
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                    • J-Shock
                      Gold Gabber
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 619

                      #25
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                      A Billboard author had a nice article on this whole thing:

                      EDM The Underground| Billboard
                      Peace
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                      • go0gle
                        Platinum Poster
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 1543

                        #26
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                        Originally posted by floridaorange
                        nope. there busy staring at half naked chicks twerking to bass heavy Trap music




                        Originally posted by Illuminate
                        I think this posted by Google from the Digweed 2014 thread, also adds to the argument, I think the class separation adds to the overall vibe of EDM, well I know this has been going on for years, probably since the dawn of EDM. I believe the best nights I've had in my life at a nightclub, have been evident in smaller clubs, of minimising all the bells and whistles, as JD puts it:
                        Yeah.. There are quite a few elements that need to come together for a good party. I used to think that if you follow the music, you will end up at parties with a good vibe and cool peeps, but that turned out to be far from the truth. Yes, certain types of music will keep certain types away, but that's when the venue comes in.. if its trendy and VIP heavy, no matter who is playing there, you will end up with random douchebags who just happened to be there because that's the popular spot at the moment, they are not there for the music or to have a good time.. so that creates friction, and it could potentially ruin the whole party for you.

                        For example, Richie Hawtin played at the Ice Palace the day before Digweed played at the Vagabond... dude.. night and day. I like his sound, but I couldn't stand the intense looks in there ... so I just left. I am starting to think that cocaine and EDM don't mix too well. Ask anyone that was at the Vaga the next night and they will tell you that it was incredible.. the music was better as well of course, but that's besides the point

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                        • AchtungBaby!
                          DUDERZ get a life!!!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 7311

                          #27
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                          Good read..


                          Sometimes i think this underground music vs commercial djs stuff, is all about money and worldwide recognition.. i mean, Aoki's, Avicii`s and those kind of djs have disproportional remunerations for their work, regardless what it is consider "quality" or not... thats the crucial point at the end of the day... something like "this crappy quality Dj can not earn that money" ... i could be wrong though, just an opinion..


                          That being said, i can not clearly understand why "underground" Djs are normally part of those big festivals if clubbing in dark clubs culture should be an inmaculate sort of ritual if you know what i mean.. as i am concerned, never heard Sasha, Digweed or Hernan bitching around this dicotomy.. They did and do their thing following their instincts.. the result is not that bad evaluating everything as a whole right?


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