if not digweed, then who?

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

can't agree there. maybe progressive didn't start as dark, but think 2001. diggers and bedrock were putting out lots of dark stuff! and remember the short-lived "black" label? remember deep amok's "shades"? now if that wasn't dark, i don't know what is (refer to kiss100 club yellow part 3, 1st track). and those silver planet tracks that yunus was putting out in 2002 like red pilot and euphrates. i'd say that's pretty dark. and those tracks that moshic was making. but when i say "darK" in conjunction with "evil" or any other adjective to describe diggers at his best - wicked, hard, bangy, twisted, mental, etc., i'm really talking about his peaktime mode (oh, there's that phrase again... my fav) - i'm not saying all the tracks in a set must be as dark as songs like shades or red pilot. it's just that when diggers is in that mode, he's so wicked and crazy, that it's evil, which is dark... (gosh, am i making sense?) it must be right? b/c afterall, we're not raising our arms up high in eternal bliss remembering the splashing waves of ibiza extolling to the spirit of mother earth like in pvd or tiesto shows, right? (aka crap and shit).
i have seen digweed live in the last month or so... he's still got the hard, bangy, mean, peaktime mode it was great. i think we're just starting to question him b/c the livesets we are getting are not so exciting. even his "live" kiss shows are stuffed with nothing but electro. it's time for someone to sneak a DAT for another "beirut" ;-)

I don't want to perpetuate a topic that, if one read it and took it all as "fact" (music being played these days is almost all crap) when it primarily centers around a sub-genre of music that is missed (rightfully so) and would also make the reader dead-sure that john digweed is marilyn manson/ozzyosbourn the DJ...

Digweed playing hard (and nobody mentioned the best word to describe what he can do that normally one would think... hmmmm this track seems not right somehow... its a little creepy.... diggers do it and we know.... its just WRONG) is wonderful and amazing to hear, but when u think of the wrongness factors (evil/dark/whatever?)the creepy traks are all a touch or so off-key, slighty timestretched, and the really great ones had a mystery/novelty to them that loses its edge with each play...

I truly love and enjoy the niche of music we are talking about, and i was at twilo alomst every friday night for almost 3 years, and almost as many saturdays for junior Vasquez(well, sunday morning and afternoon too) and I'm afraid to ruin your faith in Diggers "evil" as "untouchable" BUT if it were a competition, thank god i am a faggot (just as a sidenote, lol) and it never will be (except when people turn it into one and then try to pretend that musical differences of opinion are so individual, and NEVER can anyone win the "title of king" or "best") cause thats up to you to figure out for your own ears and mind...

but at least know that while not the same exact form of evil, Junior was a twisted sadistic EVIL motherfucker for sections up to I'd say 5 hours or more (in his 15-24hour long sets he did weekly)... but this time evil didn't smile and be the nice teddybear that we see when digweed is stompin... u looked up and saw anger or perhaps a smile but a twisted mad scientist that was set out to kill people with the music if he could... I love both of them, one is just actually overwhelming and real-scared-scary at times, and the other is a nice nasty bangin land of debauchery that with my eyes I can also take as Digweed's amazing touch he is in with his darkside (musically at least) but still see the unmissable glow he puts off that I only see in the best souls out there... I hope I can be as true to myself and to others in life as he seems to be... star DJ or not... what an amazing person, it's so hopeful and refreshing to think about... SO LET HIM PLAY WHAT HE PLAYS and one day you will have a non-evil isn't-my-life-fucking-amazing dancefloor epiphany... and I'll continue when you get there and we'll talk about how great life can be walking around looking at faces and realizing almost right away if someone is living their life or trying to but following rules that are made up by who knows.... but I can't break them...

I know I sound nutso, but it's a really fucking great place to be and if people could visit my world, I think they might be jealous sometimes.... it's fuckin FUN!

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

it`s quality.. but that tracks `re old.

Cause, you know, music never has the power to like, take u back, to emotions, places, times, people, or any of that crap... clearly this "digweed" as u call him must suck if he went with his "heart" and not been marketing himself and appeasing you at the same time to make sure he was still "cutting edge"...

music by the book, industry standards and top 40, let's never stoop to thinking anything that already happened might possibly still be interesting let alone acceptable Ok?

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

As for your news flash shit, it wasn't funny when you did it, and I did it back to you in the hope that you'd maybe get what is actually been discussed in this thread.

Thank you for saying this before I could... you are obviously on the list from now on, so make sure your "plus-one" is aware of what funny is and isn't as well so they won't irritate the fuck out of me like a crowd of orientals having siezures to the beat of a different song on my dancefloor.... umkay?

[evangelion]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

^^^ Three posts to say nothing at all.

I'll tell ya, you boys sure can get worked up over your music.

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

^^^ Three posts to say nothing at all.

I'll tell ya, you boys sure can get worked up over your music.

Shit! You mean to tell me that whole time I was phrasing things so that I communicated a sense of how much I feel and think and believe in things.... I ended up saying nothing?

Are you sure that you aren't the one who isn't funny and then when you were found out you thought it would be funny to "call me out" and then everyone would write you private messages saying you were the funny one? Except you "call me out" ... you have had plenty of opportunities to call-out one of my posts for saying nothing at all and being correct, but alas you chose one (or 3) that I was "worked up" over music and saying how i felt and reacted to it.

If you can't get worked up over your music, keep up this whole not-funny thing of yours, and make posts about electronic music being repetitive and your disdain that comes with it.... i don't know if you should keep trying anymore... cause I see you trying really hard, and that's great, and actually, I just saw another post of yours and it used valid evidence and i like that.... So I don't know if you just had a few posts that didn't come out the way you meant to say things or what, but I really want to decide if you are a good one, or "other" before I go any further with this relationship... let me know, I'm in a posty-rant-lets be bitchy for fun-mood. Can you play this game, or even want to? I'm really good at it, which is great, because it doesn't pay for shit or do any much of anything other than amuse me for up to 5 minutes after posting/reading a post.

[evangelion]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

As for your news flash shit, it wasn't funny when you did it, and I did it back to you in the hope that you'd maybe get what is actually been discussed in this thread.

Wow, you must really have something else going on to even concider that statement was made with any kind of seriousness.

Here ya go, man...in case you missed it. This clears up the "it was funny when I did it..." issue. Just so you can sleep better at night. And just for the record I hardly, if ever, use private messages, and certainly no one is sending me any telling me how funny I am.

but I really want to decide if you are a good one, or "other" before I go any further with this relationship... let me know

And this...I don't even know what to make of this. A good one? An other? Our realtionship?

Actually, you remind me alot of how I was when I first came around here. Anytime someone would disagree with anything I said I would go off on these rants for pages and pages, filling each post up with as many words as I could to get my point across. I don't do that anymore, you know why...because it's pointless. No I don't want to "play this game" and I'm glad you're really good at it. I hope it does you well in life.

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

but I really want to decide if you are a good one, or "other" before I go any further with this relationship... let me know

And this...I don't even know what to make of this. A good one? An other? Our realtionship?

Actually, you remind me alot of how I was when I first came around here. Anytime someone would disagree with anything I said I would go off on these rants for pages and pages, filling each post up with as many words as I could to get my point across. I don't do that anymore, you know why...because it's pointless. No I don't want to "play this game" and I'm glad you're really good at it. I hope it does you well in life.

As for our relationship, i was meaning more along the lines of nemisis or ally, I don't think we should date... no offense, just I dont think much at all today, James Holden was great last night... so there's that one... I am glad you dont want to play this game, but in my self deprication end of last post I acknowledged that being good at the game accomplishes jack shit, but its hella fun to have friends (even real life ones) to be retarded with, fake fight with, basically... have fun with.... I must say that i dont think writing lengthy posts with details as to why I feel a certain way is pointless, as I end up getting in touch with a lot of parts of myself and ideas that I wouldnt otherwise have been so specific on why I love things so much.... If you dont feel passion for things in life (not saying u don't, mind u) I dont see a reason to go on (like, not end it all... but find your passion ASAP) I know what mine are, and bam.... I give a reply with too much info... but fuck it, its not like you couldn't just not read it.... so if u read this far cool, if not you'll never be the lesser without those last few sentances. and last, but not least... Hi, I am Mike, but everyone already knows that.... by everyone I mean nothing but overtired babble and ...... nap soon

[evangelion]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

Nemesis?? Ally?? How about "nameless, faceless person on an Internet messageboard??" You take this shit a little too seriously dude. I am extemely pasionate about alot of things, I just don't start ripping into someone that says something I don't agree with to express it.

End of conversation.

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

Nemesis?? Ally?? How about "nameless, faceless person on an Internet messageboard??" You take this shit a little too seriously dude. I am extemely pasionate about alot of things, I just don't start ripping into someone that says something I don't agree with to express it.

End of conversation.

Dude, I am so sarcastic and dry and ask anyone who knows me, seriously is not a word used to describe anything about me other than passion and sincerity at the root of who I am....

If through the lack of talking and having to type, and whatever else it hasnt been apparent, the superhero references were a parody of those who do take this a little too seriously... and I thought I had apologized and called myself mid post on how you proved wrong what I was saying originally about you.....

in as few words as possible...

One post you wrote bugged the shit out of me, but then I read the others and realized I had the wrong idea goin on, and got creative and wordy with my apology, and it resulted in my true message not getting across to you (so I am clarifying things here and now cause you have the wrong idea about me and thats no fun) I tend to babble, but that will never change, so sorry for any confusion and sorry you didn't get my retarded cryptic apology earlier, I thought we were on the same page tongue in cheek sarcasm-wise. my last post was self commentary and not about you... in re-reading it, if I thought it was written about me seriously I would think I was a crazy freak too... so no worries. umkay?

[evangelion]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

sure

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

sure

No man, really... lol, I dedicate this, my 499th post to all of us getting along... all of my personalities included. If I truly didn't have respect for your opinion I wouldn't take time to do anything (its a forum on the web, no repercussions right?) but good debate with mutual respect is key for me lately, and your one word reply just made me feel like I still haven't gotten back to being fully clear on calling myself out for jumping the gun earlier...

To other readers/members/"others"...

what is going on with the respect around this place (mainly for DJs it seems to me) or the level of integrity goin on... I can totally dig the need/want for dark dirty sets of the new persuasion, but all over the place on here it seems like it's either that or nothing.... Is it the sets that you guys are hearing online/in your home locales? Is it sucking that bad out there? Cause I've heard all these guys live lately, and I go beginning to end (give or take 2 hours out of the last 40 in club) The sets have been rockin, and if not phenomenal at worst i would call one night sasha did "bland".... but spanish translations revealed or totally disrespectful writing-off-as-has-been to artists out there...I can't dictate what or how anyone feels, but

PLEASE LOOK AT THINGS YOU SAY OR WRITE AND CONSIDER IF YOU oops

SOUND LIKE AN ASS or THINK YOU R JUSTIFIED IN TELLING THE MASTERS WHAT THEY SHOUD BE DOING AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG & THINK THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU

and have the balls to respond to your own posts and redeem any merit for yourself in serioulsy loving music/artists who have blown your mind.


what I am missing.... or is it like... some of this is coming from "clubbers" who only liked that one sound and thats it, and it's not deeper than that, so it's not hypocritical or something.... HELP ME UNDERSTAND where the love might be going, if it's going going gone.... give a fag a break, i have heard so much amazing shit lately this is all so fuckin greek to me.

dance

[the sun the sea]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

thank god i am a faggot (just as a sidenote, lol)

another classic quote to add to the pile.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

[evangelion]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

^^^ I can't believe you could make anything out of that mess.

[miketpoto]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

thank god i am a faggot (just as a sidenote, lol)

another classic quote to add to the pile.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for noticing the little things, and of course for your signature.... I like to think that its really a 40 plus white trsh woman who still wears her prom queen tiara and gives great head... or whatever you straight kids are into these days...



Mike

[mmglobal]

Re: if not digweed, then who?

To your corners, boys...this topic calls for a DANCEOFF!!