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How can you even suggest such a thing? The majority of Iraqi's are helping us build their country into something they've always wished. Ordinary Iraqis welcome our troops with open arms, the majority of the time pledging their help with the upcoming tasks. Their universities are open to ALL people. There is religious tolerance. Individual freedom. What you see in the news and in Moore's movie is not the whole story. I've heard it from the Iraqi people themselves. The majority of the ministers in Iraq do not like us occupying their country, but they've said themselves, they need us to protect them at the moment because they know what's at stake.
It's obvious what Moore is trying to do. He doesn't like Bush, and he's willing to twist reality to show people what America is really all about.
my only beef is that moore certainly had to turn a blind eye and a deaf
ear to Iraq's past to be able to achieve manipulation on this scale.
Informative and ideologically liberating my ass! He is a pioneer because
he is the first man who has made criticizing and disrespecting ideologies
part of Hollywood entertainment. In the past even the most audacious
news shows had the decency to represent both ideologies; however, staged
the platform was in real time or without editing. Moore on the
other hand uses the editing floor to craft encounters between conflicting
ideologies into the stories that exist within his mind.
my only beef is that moore certainly had to turn a blind eye and a deaf
ear to Iraq's past to be able to achieve manipulation on this scale.
Informative and ideologically liberating my ass! He is a pioneer because
he is the first man who has made criticizing and disrespecting ideologies
part of Hollywood entertainment. In the past even the most audacious
news shows had the decency to represent both ideologies; however, staged
the platform was in real time or without editing. Moore on the
other hand uses the editing floor to craft encounters between conflicting
ideologies into the stories that exist within his mind.
...
I heard Moore speaking to a reporter that we trained 30,000 freedom fighters in middle-america in the 80's. As if it were terrorism.
I couldn't help but asking, weren't we fighting Soviet expansionism at that time Mikey?
It's all about listening to one side of the argument to fuel the hatred against the capitalistic system of America.
He has been asked by Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad to screen his film in the middle-east. That was 2 weeks ago, and he hasn't turned down the offer. He should've rejected the offer first hand.
^^^I think somebody has a bought the administrations story hook line and sinker.
I do think that the first part of the movie could be a bit of a streach. However inconclusive it may appear, it does look like a lot of the arrows tend to point in certain directions i.e. the chummy relations between the white house and the Saudi's.
A lot of the alogations that Moore made in the film are not new. If you are really concerned with a portions of his arguments, there are many books written on the subjects that the moive covers in far more depth then is possible in a feature film (House of Bush, House of Saud).
I think that the parts of the movie that speak the loudest are the clips from speaches. You might claim that some of these have been edited in a certain way. Fine. However, as a person who has actually seen many of the interviews when they were first broadcasted, I can say they were not taken out of context. It think it was a good reminder to all of us what was said by the administration in the months comming up to the war. Now that the admistration is trying to parse words, and directly contraditing what they have previously said (Cheney - "It has been pretty well confirmed..."), we can see the truth.
Another piece of food for thought. We don't re-elect politicians that admit mistakes. If Bill Clinton would have admitted an affair with Jennifer Flowers, he would not been able to get re-elected. The administration has chosen to keep with the line about the Sadam 9/11 link which has been shown by the 9-11 commision, not to exist. They hope that if you keep repeating a lie, people will believe it.
He has been asked by Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad to screen his film in the middle-east. That was 2 weeks ago, and he hasn't turned down the offer. He should've rejected the offer first hand.
Im wondering what his answer will be.
God. Liberals keep such wonderful company. I guess its time to figure out
how big of a patriotic he actually is. If moore goes through with the invitation,
he is going to make Sean Penn look like Nathan Hale.
haha.....on an aside look what google came up with when i searched for Iraq
information minister......read the quote on the left
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Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" made Hollywood history by selling $21.8 million worth of tickets in its first three days, becoming the only documentary ever to outgun all other blockbuster films at the nation's box offices in one weekend.
Theatergoers in the Bay Area gave the anti-President Bush movie one of the most enthusiastic welcomes in the country, according to several local theater owners and film experts.
"It's been absolutely wild. It was like a party atmosphere here at the Grand Lake Theater all weekend," said Allen Michaan, owner of the Oakland theater and the Park Theater in Lafayette, where nearly every showing of "Fahrenheit 9/11" has sold out since the film opened on Friday.
The Grand Lake attracted extra attention from Moore fans after a photograph of the theater's marquee, stating that it would not enforce the film's R rating, was featured on the controversial filmmaker's Web site.
"I want to thank all the right-wing organizations out there who tried to stop the film, either from their harassment campaign that didn't work on the theater owners, or going to the FEC (Federal Election Commission) to get our ads removed from television, to all the things that have been said on television," Moore told the Associated Press. "It's only encouraged more people to go and see it."
Throughout the weekend, vendors sold anti-war and unflattering Bush buttons, posters and bumper stickers while dozens lined up to register to vote outside the Oakland theater.
"I've never seen anything like this in all my years in the movie business. It's such a phenomenon," Michaan said.
Despite hundreds of thousands of people marching through downtown San Francisco for the gay pride parade, the Loews Theatres at the Metreon managed to sell out nearly every showing of "Fahrenheit 9/11" on Sunday, according to the theater's ticket vendors.
"Fahrenheit 9/11" earned more in three days than Moore's Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine" did in its entire theater run, according to the film's distributors. "Bowling for Columbine" earned a total of $21.6 million in 2002.
Moore's new film beat out "White Chicks," a Wayans brothers comedy about two black FBI agents who go undercover as white socialites, which finished in second with $19.6 million for the weekend on 2,726 screens. Ben Stiller's "Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story," took third place with $18.7 million on 3,200 screens. By contrast, "Fahrenheit 9/11" was released on only 868 screens.
"These numbers are totally unprecedented for a documentary," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Exhibitor Relations Co., a box office tracking firm that provided the estimates of ticket sales. "With the instant success of 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' we're entering territory that we've never seen before."
Dergarabedian credits the heavy media attention given to "Fahrenheit 9/11" prior to its release as a major factor for its success.
"Like with 'The Passion of the Christ,' this film has been mentioned in the media nonstop," said Dergarabedian. "So whether you agree with Michael Moore or not, you're probably still going to see his movie just to be informed about what everyone is talking about. And when you get all the people in between interested, that translates to about $20 million."
By comparison, "The Passion of the Christ" earned $117.5 million in its first five days.
Diane Weber Shapiro of Berkeley took her 16-year-old son, Alexander Weber Shapiro, to the Park Theater in Lafayette, which had block-long lines for the first two showings. The Shapiros made the drive specifically to patronize the theater, which also disregarded the R rating.
"Michael Moore films are relevant to me," Alexander Shapiro said. "My friends are definitely talking about it."
The film's unprecedented profits may change attitudes in Hollywood studios and among film distributors, which have traditionally shied away from political provocation, said UC Berkeley Professor Julia Bader, who lectures on British and American literature and film.
"This shows how Hollywood has misjudged the mood of America's film audience and that there is a demand for politically compelling movies. I expect that both the controversy and the profits from 'Fahrenheit 9/11' will finally get their attention," Bader said.
The Walt Disney Co. had refused to let its subsidiary Miramax release "Fahrenheit 9/11," citing its partisan nature. Miramax executives Harvey and Bob Weinstein bought back the film and released it independently with distributors Lions Gate and IFC Films.
"It's beyond anybody's expectations," Harvey Weinstein told the New York Times. "I'd have to say the sky's the limit on this movie. Who knows what territory we're in?"
Chronicle staff writer Peter Hartlaub contributed to this report. E-mail Delfin Vigil at dvigil@sfchronicle.com.
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Ray Bradbury is pretty pissed about Mooron using the "Farengheit" moniker without his permission:
I guess its time to figure out
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