Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

[Tooo]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

Hi... I'm new on this board...

I watched all the process of the inconvenient.... Spiker has been tremendous helpfull along these years, but this time I think he made a mistake on his choose of words.
He literally said:

"Uno de los Residents que mas me costo hacer los cues, no por los tiempos ni mezclas sino por lo feo y malo que me pareci?. Solamente me gustaron 2 tracks, el segundo de la tercera media hora y la version de Fingerpaint, el resto una cagada. Pido lo mismo que en el resident anterior, que vuelva la oscuridad porvaforrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!"

So, maybe that wasn't the right way to say it, but perhaps the right call would it be to send a PM and edit the post. After all Spiker didn't meant to insult H.

Anyway... H made a decision, maybe a wrong one or not, everybody make mistakes. That's all, no one can shoot H for this... you're getting to far people.

Don't forget that all this started with disrespect ways of communication.

[chuckc]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

translation please

[Tooo]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

"One of the Residents that gave me more work to do the .cues, not because the tempos nor mixing, because of how awful and bad I thought it was. I only liked 2 tracks, the second of the third half hour and the version of Fingerpaint, the rest "una cagada". I ask the same I asked last Resident, please darkness come back!!!"

There's no exact translation for CAGADA... between friends is very common... in the forum, for sure, wasn't the first time used, but not in that way. Nevertheless, as I said before, with a PM and an edit, in my humble opinion was pretty ok.
The translation would be: bull shit... because in the states is very common to use. But it isn't an offensive way in most of the times used.

[asdf_admin]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

I have to admit ... Cattaneo is an artist, and as an artist you face criticism. I would assume Catteneo gets a lot of positive feedback, but on a rare case he does get a disappointed fan. Spiker is/was a fan. It seems he was highly objective to the music and not Cattaneo personally. So there is a point of criticism. If Cattaneo has a problem that in a rare instance someone will not feel his music, he has a lot coming.

i am a fucking artist, i cannot please everyone. but it will not stop me from doing what i love. that is where my heart is.

i would only hope Cattaneo was having a bad day, and Spiker was the engaged target, either case. It truly is a sad event in all perspectives, esp the dedicated fans and listeners.

[hulkhuss]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

"One of the Residents that gave me more work to do the .cues, not because the tempos nor mixing, because of how awful and bad I thought it was. I only liked 2 tracks, the second of the third half hour and the version of Fingerpaint, the rest "una cagada". I ask the same I asked last Resident, please darkness come back!!!"

There's no exact translation for CAGADA... between friends is very common... in the forum, for sure, wasn't the first time used, but not in that way. Nevertheless, as I said before, with a PM and an edit, in my humble opinion was pretty ok.
The translation would be: bull shit... because in the states is very common to use. But it isn't an offensive way in most of the times used.

thanks for the translation

[rewing3]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

[quote="asdf_admin"]
smart ass. quote]

Thank you, I try sometimes. But sometimes the truth hurts.

[LuCky]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

CAGADA sucks=stinks is not a term to say to a dj like hernan cattaneo

we must tell both stories...

tnxs..these is my first post here..

[Clausen77]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

reading all the comments to this topic and seeing that some people post comments whithout knowing anything about hernan or having ever been in his forum, i feel it necessary to add my 2 cents to this:


my translation for "una cagada" would be "piece of shit"

it's like you can use it between friends if you don't like something, but you would never say that to the work of a person you respect (that is if you have some minimum level of education, which isn't easy to find anymore in argentina)

spiker did a great job recording and ripping hernan's radio shows (plus sets that hernan sent specially only to him to rip them for the people so I don't know why he says that hernan ignored his work as he clearly didn't). in my opinion both took benefit, hernan getting his sets shared through his fans and spiker adding his name to every single set he ripped from hernan, getting publicity he would never have gotten in other way, managing to have his own dj sets downloaded by many people, thing that would never have happened if he hadn't ripped hernans sets

in my opinion spiker did a mistake considering hernans latest radio show as a "piece of shit", possibly hernan over reacted a little bit, but i think a bigger over reaction was the one from spiker, deciding to unshare all hernans sets and involving the colirio guys into his personal problem with hernan

anyway, things change and there will be people again in the future which will record hernans sets, thanks a lot to spiker for the work he has done in the past and a pity for this to have happened. but these things happen.

all of this being my honest personal opinion, which might be biased as i am a mod in hernans forum (though i think it's not, as i always tend to put things in a rational way)

cheers
clausen

edit: can't offer you the last resident radio show, but if anyone wants the live set from february in chile feel free to get it from my soulseek, user clausen77

[LuCky]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

clap clap clausen!

[simonr]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

Its a real shame that things have come to this as Hernan always seems a pretty reasonable guy to me.

Out of interest I saw Hernan at Turnmills last Friday and have to say it was the first time I've been disappointed. He followed Oakenfold (or "Joakey" as he is un-affectionately known here) who played an amazing set - back to those 98/99 Cream days for anyone that likes that stuff (I've quite diverse taste) and the same vibe as his GU New York CD. While the guy gets stick at least he still plays off vinyl.

It was very difficult for Hernan to follow him (and dare I say it, Hernan has always been better in that warm-up slot, unless he's playing 4-hours and can build his set). Hernan pounded it (which isn't entirely to my taste - as I prefer his dark house sets). All in all I was a bit disappointed, however he's been top notch every other time I've heard him (at Heaven in 2003 he played the opening slot ... to three of us initially, but still played some amazing stuff and tore the roof off as the place packed out).

Wouldn't hesitate to see him again ... and today I've learned an Argentinian phrase not to use - good stuff !

[DJ_Spiker]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/05

To clarify things here a little bit more I have made a translation of what I posted that day so that you can understand how I expressed myself:

"It was hard for me making the cues of the set of resident that day, not because of the time or the mixing but because it sounds bad and ugly to me. I only liked two of tracks; the second one of the third half hour and the Fingerpaint version, the rest was crap. I am asking the same that with the previous resident, that the darkness comes back."

It is very common for the people in Argentina to talk this way, even more in a chats where the attendants are mostly young people that know each other. I never thought I was going to offend anybody that much.

About the work I was doing I want to clarify that Hernan has passed just one set to me in all these years and it was the Proton 2004. I have taped the rest from the radio. I made the decision of not sharing or taping any more the sets from Hernan since I am not any more part of his community because he kicks me out.

I think it has been an overreaction the way he treated a user like me that helped in all that I could during all this years. I did it for fun and no for fame or publicity, I am not making a living of this, it is only a hobby for me.

It has been regrettable the comments that I have read about me these last days from people that don?t even know me, some of them only posting to offend me.

In this way I don't have motivation to continue helping the Hernan community. I am going to continue helping all artists I could in any way I can, producers and more, but I am not going to help Hernan any more because I don't think that I deserve what he and his community did to me.

About the colirioTeam decision of not sharing their sets any more I want to clarify that I didn't influence them to back me up, it has been everybody's decision and I don't see it wrong since I am a site moderator.

I am sorry for what happened and I don't want to talk more about it, but I wanted the true to be said. For more information please go to www.collirioteam.com.ar


DJ_Spiker

[arielus]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

i think this probably explains a bit more why the argueing.

I can handle any feedback good or bad, that's not the problem.

What I can't and also don't wan't to handle is the disrespect of calling "shit" to the music many hard working producers contribute to the show.

You can like or dislike the show, the music, my mixing, or whatever.
Again,that's never been the problem in this case

looking from that point of view, seems pretty logic to me why did he get so mad with this whole issue.


well, thanks Spiker for bringing the Resident shows every week for past 2 years, even if i didn't get them everyweek because of those annoying voiceover

[asdf_admin]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

you be the judge.

start : http://www.hernancattaneo.com/forum/...13&start=0

finish : http://www.hernancattaneo.com/forum/...pic.php?t=5127

some craz'ies out there.

[Clausen77]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

spiker, you got a point and i'm not telling you are completely wrong, you understand? I think it's a pity what happened but both parts take a part of the responsibility for it, it's not like one is wrong and the other is right

obviously we wont agree with the translation of cagada hehe, for me crap would be translated "basura"

[the sun the sea]

Re: Anybody get a copy of Cattaneo Resident set from 07/05/0

These djs need criticism, if they didnt have any criticism they would never improve....
I cant belive this is even being debated....aint this what these boards are for??

couldn't agree with you more. dj's are human, they do need a little honest criticism every once in a while in order to get their heads out of the clouds, otherwise they'll all end up like oakenfold with their arms spread out in the dj booth.