Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

[runningman]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

science is another form of business. It has nothing to do with the greater good or any of those pipe dreams. It only has to do with money. If it has side effects they will tell you after "oh sorry we didn't get that result in our previous research."

[Jenks]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

Science is not another form of business. There is more money spent on science than it gets in return. Research costs a lot of money. The one time they get something right, they don't get in return what they've put into it in money, man hours, etc.

One of hunders of thousands of glaring examples...

Science, Jonas Saulk, through extensive research found a cure for Polio. Polio vaccines are free. Science cured the world of a massive epidemic many decades ago. Just read today there was a massive outbreak in Yemen, 60 dead, over 100 expected soon. The WHO, with FREE vaccines expects to curb the outbreak shortly.

^That's science. Not business.

[asdf_admin]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growt

Science is not another form of business. There is more money spent on science than it gets in return. Research costs a lot of money. The one time they get something right, they don't get in return what they've put into it in money, man hours, etc.

One of hunders of thousands of glaring examples...

Science, Jonas Saulk, through extensive research found a cure for Polio. Polio vaccines are free. Science cured the world of a massive epidemic many decades ago. Just read today there was a massive outbreak in Yemen, 60 dead, over 100 expected soon. The WHO, with FREE vaccines expects to curb the outbreak shortly.

^That's science. Not business.

correction : it was science it is business now.

and you know it Jenks.

[runningman]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

Science is not another form of business. There is more money spent on science than it gets in return. Research costs a lot of money. The one time they get something right, they don't get in return what they've put into it in money, man hours, etc.

One of hunders of thousands of glaring examples...

Science, Jonas Saulk, through extensive research found a cure for Polio. Polio vaccines are free. Science cured the world of a massive epidemic many decades ago. Just read today there was a massive outbreak in Yemen, 60 dead, over 100 expected soon. The WHO, with FREE vaccines expects to curb the outbreak shortly.

^That's science. Not business.

Jesus jenks that is thecraziest thing i have ever heard you say. Not another form of business?? you crazy?? If your getting mad right now take a pill that you bought at your local store to calm down. Not a business eh??
Instead of going on a vacation or to japan to ease your mind take a pill the american way..

[asdf_admin]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growt

Jesus jenks that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard you say. Not another form of business?? you crazy??

be nice.

[runningman]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

sorry your edge wore off on me.. .. me and jenks joke like this anyway..

[asdf_admin]

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i am with you on this one.

[runningman]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

I am sure that everybody here is aware of a man named Joseph Newman. If not

http://www.josephnewman.com/

He invented the energy machine. He invented it 40 years ago but the government wouldn't let him use his patent. The energy companies tried to by it from him for $200 million to keep it quiet. He didn't accept knowing that it is a multi-billion $ industry. Why do you think that they are just now this month letting him finally move forward?? Because of the price of oil now is getting ridiculous. I am in the invention industry and tthis shit happens everyday in this business.

[Jenks]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

jeez. at no point did i ever get mad here you silly canadian.

so some inventor got taken advantage of, shit happens. people and industry get taken advantage of on a daily basis, that doesn't mean you can pigeon hole the entire field of SCIENCE as BUSINESS. I think we're talking about two different things here.

[undrgrndwmn]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

There hasn't been enough research done into the effects of illicit drugs on humans. One of the biggest studies used in the 80s as a reason to make ecstasy illegal was recently discredited (the one that said rats died from it and got holes in their brains). Turns out those rats were given massive doses of methamphetimine instead ... ecstasy sized doses of meth times about 10 or more. It also turns out that the author of that study was on the government payroll. He may have assumed that he would find extreme harm due in his rats due to ecstasy, and so maybe didn't look closely enough into the (to others) unexpectedly lethal results.

This was unfortunate for several reasons -- ecstasy has shown tremendous promise as a treatment in conjunction with counseling for post traumatic stress disorder, among other things. Scientists in the US who want to pursue this research still have a very difficult time getting approval for even carefully controlled clinical trials. There have been some studies that were initially approved and then denied approval due to the media demonization of ecstasy.

I would love to see studies done on people who have a stable pattern of recreational drug use to find out why they are able to use without major negative consequences (like addication) in their lives up to this point. I don't mean to say that for these people drug use is consequence free -- if nothing else, everything someone buys an illicit drug, they risk jail, but I can't help but think that if we could have a more honest and open dialog about drug use in the country, just maybe there wouldn't be so many addicts.

[evangelion]

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The WHO, with FREE vaccines expects to curb the outbreak shortly.

correction : it was science it is business now.

I don't know what kind of "business" they plan on generating...you know with the vaccines being FREE and all.

[undrgrndwmn]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growt

The WHO, with FREE vaccines expects to curb the outbreak shortly.

correction : it was science it is business now.

I don't know what kind of "business" they plan on generating...you know with the vaccines being FREE and all.

somebody paid for those vaccines probably us taxpayers

[evangelion]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

Of course...nothing is made for free. But when it comes to the ultimate goal, the reason the vaccine was created in the first place, and with it being given away for free, where is the "business" in that???

[beto]

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Science is bussiness? how many scientists do you guys know?
E is illegal, ergo, it's bad. What? Looks like the war-on-drugs propaganda is finally working...


Let people take whatever they want as long as they don't bother you... I'm sure others would have a lot to say about other people smoking cigarrettes and passing out on alcohol... If you think they're going to have jelly for brains in 20 years, well, let them be. Just as others will be on the list for liver transplants and have the lungs of a coal miner.

[undrgrndwmn]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

Of course...nothing is made for free. But when it comes to the ultimate goal, the reason the vaccine was created in the first place, and with it being given away for free, where is the "business" in that???

sure there are examples, like Salk, of scientists giving their discovery to the world for free. That's wonderful. There are a few other famous examples. Now, though, private corporations are spending huge amounts of money in research and development. Those companies have stockholders. If scientists are employed by these companies instead of by a charity as Salk was (March of Dimes) then there's no question of the scientist being able to give his work away. Whatever he produces is the property of a business.