Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

[neoee]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growt

undrgrndwmn- The studies you speak of were done in the 90's and were not the cause for making Ecstasy illegal. The DEA was attempting to get it scheduled but even the judge didn't feel that they had proven the drug to have a high abuse potential and no medical uses. The judge also stated that it should have been scheduled either a 3 or 4. The DEA didn't want to wait and then placed it on an "emergency ban".

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_law3.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_law2.shtml

I'm really surprised at the reaction by most here. Amazing how some are so willing the disregard the information because it suggests a positive use for an illicit drug. The article also mentions SSRI's like Prozac but most probably chose to ignore that as well. To me this makes perfect sense as increased levels of seratonin have been shown to be have a natural healing effect (your more likely to be healthy if your happy).

[evangelion]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

No way...no one here would make snap judgement just because the subject was an illegal drug (and this is an anti-drug community right) and they were "edgy" at the time. **cough** asdf **cough**

[neoee]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

I did find this in the article though:

However, the researchers stressed that the use of ecstasy was not so straightforward - the dose required to block cancer growth was so high it would kill the patient.

[Localizer]

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ADSF, just for you, MDMA was made illegal when the DEA noticed an influx of it in the mid 80's - early 90's. Because it was becoming the new craze, they had to do something about it so they made it illegal. Thus why adequate research has not been allowed. I don't advocate ecstasy nor I do feel it will help people, however, http://www.maps.org/ has other things to say. Also, I'm pretty sure there are a few secrets within the chemical make up of these drugs that could lead to positive outcomes. Just because it might be made illegal doesn't mean it should always carry a negative annotation.

[asdf_admin]

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Thus why adequate research has not been allowed. I don't advocate ecstasy nor I do feel it will help people, however, http://www.maps.org/ has other things to say. Also, I'm pretty sure there are a few secrets within the chemical make up of these drugs that could lead to positive outcomes. Just because it might be made illegal doesn't mean it should always carry a negative annotation.

that's fine. tell that to a 12 year old that has fucked up his whole life because he did take too many drugs in one night. wtf is wrong with you people.

pappa asdf.

[neoee]

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that's fine. tell that to a 12 year old that has fucked up his whole life because he did take too many drugs in one night. wtf is wrong with you people.

pappa asdf.

The same could be said about alcohol. No one here is advocating children's use of drugs but as adults I think people should be able to make the decision to ingest what ever they choose. Sure there horror stories from the use of drugs but what about the flipside? With most drugs not a whole lot of good comes out of them, though this one seems to be an exception to that rule. Help for people dealing with cancer, rape victims, traumatized(sp?) soldiers, even maritial issues. I can say with certianty that it has made me a better person. Its helped me realize a better self image, given me the ability to communicate with others much more effectively and helped me estabilish the basis for a relationship others could only dream of having.

If a 12yo is out to get high, they'll find a way to do it. Maybe my means of sniffing glue, E, alcohol, or oxycontin. There's always going to be a small percentage of the population that is going to abuse, do we let these people ruin it for the people it may have a chance of helping? If so than we should ban automobiles since there's the few that drive recklessly, ban guns since some choose to use them for violence, maybe even airplanes since a select few choose to fly them into buildings.

[evangelion]

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I also read somwhere that 1 hour of therapy on MDMA is equal to 4 years without. That's not useful??

[asdf_admin]

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The same could be said about alcohol. No one here is advocating children's use of drugs but as adults I think people should be able to make the decision to ingest what ever they choose. Sure there horror stories from the use of drugs but what about the flipside? With most drugs not a whole lot of good comes out of them, though this one seems to be an exception to that rule. Help for people dealing with cancer, rape victims, traumatized(sp?) soldiers, even maritial issues. I can say with certianty that it has made me a better person. Its helped me realize a better self image, given me the ability to communicate with others much more effectively and helped me estabilish the basis for a relationship others could only dream of having.

If a 12yo is out to get high, they'll find a way to do it. Maybe my means of sniffing glue, E, alcohol, or oxycontin. There's always going to be a small percentage of the population that is going to abuse, do we let these people ruin it for the people it may have a chance of helping? If so than we should ban automobiles since there's the few that drive recklessly, ban guns since some choose to use them for violence, maybe even airplanes since a select few choose to fly them into buildings.

i agree and understand your view point on the issue. it only took me once to be at a Seattle party and watch a kid on 21 hits of acid and three pills of e. i will never forget, it is burned into my mind as a vivid video. it was one of the worst things i have ever felt.

for years we have been doing fine without mdma and all the spin offs, and surely if used in need i see no harm. perhaps because of the event of the 12 year old totally fucked out of his mind, i can not justify such a risk. the whole point of this ... it was a child that did not know. he was young and very very stupid. there is also a good chance he did destory his life.

sad.

i guess as they say "it is your own body, do as you wish" ... but a child. i will do anything to protect my child, even it causes my own life . that is me. and that is my love for YOU people.

surely we are talking about two dfferent spectrums ... yet my heart speaks differently. hate me or love me. but that is my IMO.

cheers.

asdf_admin.

[two-]

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Well if you do anything to protect you child there`s no need to make things ilegal cause he would`t have acces to acohol or any drug..

I think that the one to blame is not the state for that 12 old years boy, the fucking asshole there where they fadders!

I get a nice education from my parents, alwayz been surrounded by a full of drugs evirioment, and i only tryed them whem i want, in the amount i want, and never needed to fuck up myself with them.

[13kickdrums]

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for those who have done E its actually pretty easy to understand what your brain will be like should you have an ongoing and continual cycle of usage.

as you age your brain will work more and more like it does the day after you party. you know..cant think straight...kind of down...overall malaise. all because youre spent.

dont let any quack studies debunk what your common sense tells you: you will pay for it one day if youre not already.

i read somewhere that salvador dali said everyone should do drugs 5 times. i couldnt agree more. i personally think the folks who completely abstain miss out, however, once you know what its about the more you do it the more you rot and generally play with fire.

know why E makes you vomit? because your body is flipping out and wants whatever is in it OUT. thats a fairly severe reaction for the body, should tell you the severity of whats going on.

i party once every two years..maybe. went down to the WMC in march and partied at diggers/pawn shop tuesday night. did 2. woke up the next day,wed., felt fine and went to a few seminars. come 5pm i had to sit down and within an hour i couldnt move. luckily i made it to the car and back to the hotel parking lot where i had my friend call the paramedics. vitals and blood sugar were fine but i really thought i was going to die. no shit. my heart was going crazy and the doctors said its not uncommon to see people come in and die of heart attacks. i was honest and made my friend tell them i partied the night before.

moral is..just because you think you drink water, keep salt and potassium levels decent and arent over-heating doesnt mean youre not at risk. miami beach emergency room has seen it all and they were rather non-chalant about what a dumbass i was and how often they see the heart attacks and people dying from E. im a healthy male and that scared the snot out of me.

hope its useful

[asdf_admin]

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13kickdrums

thank you.

[undrgrndwmn]

Re: Ecstasy and anti-depressant drugs can block cancer growth

for those who have done E its actually pretty easy to understand what your brain will be like should you have an ongoing and continual cycle of usage.

as you age your brain will work more and more like it does the day after you party. you know..cant think straight...kind of down...overall malaise. all because youre spent.

dont let any quack studies debunk what your common sense tells you: you will pay for it one day if youre not already.

i read somewhere that salvador dali said everyone should do drugs 5 times. i couldnt agree more. i personally think the folks who completely abstain miss out, however, once you know what its about the more you do it the more you rot and generally play with fire.

know why E makes you vomit? because your body is flipping out and wants whatever is in it OUT. thats a fairly severe reaction for the body, should tell you the severity of whats going on.

i party once every two years..maybe. went down to the WMC in march and partied at diggers/pawn shop tuesday night. did 2. woke up the next day,wed., felt fine and went to a few seminars. come 5pm i had to sit down and within an hour i couldnt move. luckily i made it to the car and back to the hotel parking lot where i had my friend call the paramedics. vitals and blood sugar were fine but i really thought i was going to die. no shit. my heart was going crazy and the doctors said its not uncommon to see people come in and die of heart attacks. i was honest and made my friend tell them i partied the night before.

moral is..just because you think you drink water, keep salt and potassium levels decent and arent over-heating doesnt mean youre not at risk. miami beach emergency room has seen it all and they were rather non-chalant about what a dumbass i was and how often they see the heart attacks and people dying from E. im a healthy male and that scared the snot out of me.

hope its useful

panic attacks suck ... so are you going to ever take a pill again?

[Watcher2k]

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I also read somwhere that 1 hour of therapy on MDMA is equal to 4 years without. That's not useful??

That is true.

[undrgrndwmn]

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thanks for clarifying my post with the erowid links.

ecstasy changed my lfe in so many incrediby powerful ways:

It taught me how to connect with my peers and dealt with social anxiety.
It helped me talk to my father and forgive him.
It helped me accept myself.
It helped me realize that it was time for me to stop dating losers.
It helped me to grow up.

I haven't eaten a pill in a really long time, but I remain profoundly grateful for the experiences I had with the drug. I'm not naive about how it can affect other people (w/most of the negative effects coming from doing adulterated pills or eating huge doses or thinking that just because you can handle ecstasy you can handle other, harder drugs). Anytime you do a drug, you should treat it, and yourself, with respect. That's why so many young kids that do drugs go off the deep end.

Carlos Castineda said that there's an ally in every drug -- I've learned lessons about myself from every drug I've tried. Maybe that's why psychonauts don't usually become addicted to things ... because of the reasons they take drugs and the analysis that they indulge in afterwards.

[runningman]

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^^^ sounds to me like you grew up... don't give ecstacy so much credit. Yes it is a powerful drug but don't you think you might have just grown up a little??