Islamic Caliphate

[floridaorange]

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all fake bro^^^ wake up!

[KiwiTollway]

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First of all, regardless of whether the beheading videos are actual or dramatizations, the U.S. would not deploy their troops to any nation because of video tapes; we didn't after videos from Bin Laden and we didn't this time. Loads & loads of intelligence is gathered before deploying our troops, little of which depend on media reports for intelligence gathering. These people sent/made the videos for attention? Could be true and idiotic, but it's their actual actions that are getting them this attention they sought from our military.

Secondly, Zover...... Obama has tried to close GTMO, but has been blocked by Congress. We've occupied it since 1898 as a naval base and then a prison for war criminals. Bush has been brought to trial on multiple cases of criminal activity that he authorized there (same as Rumsfield); it's no secret to anyone that tortures took place there after 9/11 and over 3,000 people were murdered here, but he has thwarted prosecution thus far. However, Bush, as our president, did not represent the will of the people, so holding ALL Americans accountable for anything Bush did, is ludicrous. People are still attempting to bring him to justice.

The U.S. began paying Cuba for GTMO in 1898 with 2,000 gold coins per year, and we still send Castro rent payments, but he refuses to cash them (understandably), he gets monthly rental payments as part of an agreement the Cuban government signed. U.S. occupation of GTMO (to my understanding) is primarily for protection of the Panama Canal, which we must keep secure. Bush used it as a convenient place to hold war criminals, justifying they weren't on U.S. soil so the tortures could take place legally (wrong!!!).

Lastly, Obama signed The National Defense Act (for fiscal year 2014) to relax restrictions on transferring detainees from GTMO, Cuba to the custody of foreign governments, thus, their countries can one day have their "worst of the worst" criminals back on their own soil.

This will be my only comment in this thread as I refuse to give beheading videos further attention on any internet site.

[Zover]

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So all of the footage of ISIS mass killing folks is fake too?

The Rise of ISIS | FRONTLINE | PBS

Unless my ipad isn't working there is no footage in these stories .

[Zover]

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all fake bro^^^ wake up!

Haha is that you're best response?

[Zover]

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Secondly, Zover...... Obama has tried to close GTMO, but has been blocked by Congress. We've occupied it since 1898 as a naval base and then a prison for war criminals. Bush has been brought to trial on multiple cases of criminal activity that he authorized there (same as Rumsfield); it's no secret to anyone that tortures took place there after 9/11 and over 3,000 people were murdered here, but he has thwarted prosecution thus far. However, Bush, as our president, did not represent the will of the people, so holding ALL Americans accountable for anything Bush did, is ludicrous. People are still attempting to bring him to justice.

My post wasn't about the ethics of GTMO, I was just pointing out that the alliance were just as bad when it comes to kidnap and murder.

[Zover]

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First of all, regardless of whether the beheading videos are actual or dramatizations, the U.S. would not deploy their troops to any nation because of video tapes; we didn't after videos from Bin Laden and we didn't this time. Loads & loads of intelligence is gathered before deploying our troops, little of which depend on media reports for intelligence gathering. These people sent/made the videos for attention? Could be true and idiotic, but it's their actual actions that are getting them this attention they sought from our military.

Kind of when they went into Iraq looking for imaginary weapons of mass destruction. I think everyone knew there were no weapons.

[Zover]

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Anyone else noticed that the international conglomerate of sleeper cell super soldiers still haven't done jack shit! Infiltrating, and training, then training and infiltrating. It's almost like it isn't real.

[floridaorange]

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[Zover]

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Is that dude the dad of one of your dog soldier mates?

[audrey_w]

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THis book is worth a read A good insight into the lack of strategy that led to the US/UK alliance getting their arses handed to them by an enemy they didn't really know in wars where they didn't really know what the objectives were or how they were to achieve them
Those failures are now huge and glaring as the "security" the west sought to bring collapses and, yet again, the US/UK find themselves fighting against the people they have armed to the teeth..

Shame nothing was learnt, off we go again.

[floridaorange]

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, the US/UK find themselves fighting against the people they have armed to the teeth..

1. - Im sure we have learned something. 2. we are not sending troops like last time, not yet at least. 3. we do have more intelligence gathered than the Bush era. 4. we sell weapons to countries and those weapons end up in the hands of terrorists sometimes.

In what amounted to a rallying cry to MPs to back military action when Parliament is recalled on Friday, the prime minister warned that Britain must not be so “frozen with fear” of repeating the mistakes of the Iraq war that it failed to take on the “psychopathic, murderous, brutal” jihadis.

-What do you suggest Obama and David C. do differently? I think it's great people don't want us to kill the enemy because of the ISIL threat. But what are our options?

• UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon cautioned against a military-only response to terrorism. In his address to the UN assembly he said: “Missiles may kill terrorists.But good governance kills terrorism. Free and independent societies – free from suffering, oppression and occupation – this is what will kill terrorism.”

^agreed

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Did you pick all that up from your General's Sergent's Corporal Florida?

[res0nat0r]

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Unless my ipad isn't working there is no footage in these stories .

You obvious didn't watch it. Trolling about dumb bullshit is getting old.

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You obvious didn't watch it. Trolling about dumb bullshit is getting old.

I think that was the point of the statement. Care to point him and everyone else towards this spectacular footage.

[res0nat0r]

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You didn't watch it either. Circle. Jerk.