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  • cosmo
    Gold Gabber
    • Jun 2004
    • 583

    Fairenheit Fact's ??

    By John Tabin

    There's an oft-repeated aphorism, generally attributed to Daniel Patrick Moynihan, which maintains that "you're entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts."

    Michael Moore clearly disagrees.

    By the time the opening titles roll on his award-winning, smash hit pseudo-documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11, we've already learned that the 2000 election was a fraud in which blacks were disenfranchised. That a fair count would have made Gore president has been independently confirmed, says Moore. Just the opposite is true.

    Bush spent much of the first few months of his presidency on vacation. (Blink, and you might not notice that Bush is meeting with Tony Blair when Moore indicts him for "relaxing at Camp David.") Bush was more interested in Iraq than Afghanistan after 9/11, and only invaded Afghanistan because he had to, because that was where the attack came from. Moore approvingly excerpts an interview to this effect with former terror czar and hero to Bush-haters Richard Clarke, and accuses Bush of committing too few troops in Afghanistan.

    Then, confusingly, he argues that the Afghan war was in fact unjust; it was just fought so that the Texas petroleum firm Unocal could build a pipeline. Moore insinuates that Hamid Karzai was installed as Afghanistan's interim president because he was once a consultant to Unocal, and Moore strongly implies -- with footage of a pipeline being built -- that Unocal is now building its pipeline. Actually, Unocal pulled out of the pipeline deal in 1999; the Karzai government wants to revisit the project but it has so far gone nowhere.

    Bush's family has a history of business ties with the Saudis, including with the bin Ladens, but the notion that Osama is estranged from the rest of his family is "exaggerated," says Craig Unger. (Unger's book, House of Bush, House of Saud, isn't available in the UK because publishers fear Britain's strict libel laws; Moore, meanwhile, has ironically threatened to sue his critics for libel.) Because of these business ties, according to Moore, Bush let the bin Laden family flee without being questioned just after 9/11, while most planes were grounded. In fact, none other than Richard Clarke has said this was his decision alone.

    Moore has covered all these wild conspiracy theories before he even gets to his main event, Iraq, where children play happily in the streets of Baghdad under Saddam Hussein, and all is well. (There is some suggestion that Saddam might have been a bad guy early in the film, when it shows footage of Saddam shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld in the '80s; this line of thought is quickly abandoned.) Iraq was a "sovereign nation," and it hadn't attacked us or even threatened to attack us, says Moore.

    I could go on with the debunking, but others, notably Christopher Hitchens have done and will do a fine job of that. Nor will I dwell too long on Moore's repellent exploitation of frustrated soldiers, amputees, and grieving parents, all of whom he films -- no doubt with prompting -- channeling their emotions into anger at the Bush administrations.

    I'm more interested what this film-- with its record-breaking box office, its awards, and its overwhelmingly positive critical reception -- will do to the political discourse.

    Perhaps this movie appeals only to the committed left. The narrow band of swing voters in the middle will be repulsed, and Democrats who embrace this hard left lunacy will regret it. Half the Washington Democratic establishment showed up for a premier last week, including DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe, Senators Tom Daschle, Tom Harkin, Max Baucus, Ernest Hollings, Debbie Stabenow, and Bill Nelson, among many others. When John Kerry is asked if he agrees with Moore's conclusions, he'll be forced to alienate either his base or the center. Republicans will gain an edge.

    That's the optimistic view. Here's the pessimistic one:

    Many uncommitted voters will see this movie, just to find out what all the fuss is about. They'll take Moore's arguments, such as they are, basically at face value, and conclude that Bush is an unfit president. Most of the mainstream media won't take much time to seriously fact-check the movie, and Moore's assertions really will change minds. In short, Moynihan will be proven wrong: you really are entitled to your own facts.

    Which view is correct? I wish I knew.
  • delirious
    Addiction started
    • Jun 2004
    • 288

    #2
    Re: Fairenheit Fact's ??

    LOL... I've already debunked these.

    Originally posted by cosmo
    Bush spent much of the first few months of his presidency on vacation.
    As reported by the Washington Post and, independantly, by The Guardian.

    Originally posted by cosmo
    (Blink, and you might not notice that Bush is meeting with Tony Blair when Moore indicts him for "relaxing at Camp David.") Bush was more interested in Iraq than Afghanistan after 9/11, and only invaded Afghanistan because he had to, because that was where the attack came from. Moore approvingly excerpts an interview to this effect with former terror czar and hero to Bush-haters Richard Clarke, and accuses Bush of committing too few troops in Afghanistan.

    Then, confusingly, he argues that the Afghan war was in fact unjust; it was just fought so that the Texas petroleum firm Unocal could build a pipeline. Moore insinuates that Hamid Karzai was installed as Afghanistan's interim president because he was once a consultant to Unocal, and Moore strongly implies -- with footage of a pipeline being built -- that Unocal is now building its pipeline. Actually, Unocal pulled out of the pipeline deal in 1999; the Karzai government wants to revisit the project but it has so far gone nowhere.
    Central Asia pipeline deal signed



    Friday, 27 December, 2002

    An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan.

    The building of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years but plans have been held up by Afghanistan's unstable political situation.

    This follows a summit meeting bringing together the presidents of the three countries last May when the project received formal go-ahead.

    The pipeline would represent the first major foreign investment in Afghanistan in many years.

    Alternate route

    With improved regional security after the fall of the Taleban about a year ago, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan have decided to push ahead with plans for the ambitious 1,500-kilometre-long gas pipeline.

    The leaders of the three countries have now signed a framework agreement defining the legal aspects of setting up a consortium to build and operate the pipeline.

    The trans-Afghanistan pipeline would export Turkmen gas via Afghanistan to Pakistani ports, from where it could reach world markets.

    India is the largest potential buyer and the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, said Delhi was welcome to join the project.

    Turkmenistan has some of the world's greatest reserves of natural gas, but still relies on tightly controlled Russian pipelines to export it.

    Ashgabat has long been desperate to find an alternative export route.

    Wary investors

    Afghanistan would profit by receiving millions of dollars in transit fees and construction of the pipeline would provide thousands of desperately needed jobs.

    It is also hoped such a project would boost regional economic ties and pave the way for further foreign investment.

    The chief difficulty will be actually finding the money to build the pipeline.

    The Asian Development Bank is carrying out a study for the project.

    But investors will be very cautious about putting serious money into Afghanistan when the central government in Kabul still has only limited influence in the regions the pipeline would cross.
    BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


    Originally posted by cosmo
    Bush's family has a history of business ties with the Saudis, including with the bin Ladens, but the notion that Osama is estranged from the rest of his family is "exaggerated," says Craig Unger. (Unger's book, House of Bush, House of Saud, isn't available in the UK because publishers fear Britain's strict libel laws; Moore, meanwhile, has ironically threatened to sue his critics for libel.) Because of these business ties, according to Moore, Bush let the bin Laden family flee without being questioned just after 9/11, while most planes were grounded. In fact, none other than Richard Clarke has said this was his decision alone.
    No, Moore doesn't say Bush let the Saudis/Laden family flee.

    Sen. Byron Dorgan: We had some airplanes authorized at the highest levels of our government to fly to pick up Osama Bin Laden's family members and others from Saudi Arabia and transport them out of this country.

    Narration: It turns out that the White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis. At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the Bin ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.
    Farenheight 9/11 Transcript

    Nice try but no cigar.

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    • brakada
      Gold Gabber
      • Jun 2004
      • 622

      #3
      And do we really need a new topic for every criticism of Fahrenheit 9/11?
      We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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      • mingus51
        Getting Somewhere
        • Jun 2004
        • 228

        #4
        Re: Fairenheit Fact's ??

        Originally posted by cosmo
        By John Tabin

        Many uncommitted voters will see this movie, just to find out what all the fuss is about. They'll take Moore's arguments, such as they are, basically at face value, and conclude that Bush is an unfit president. Most of the mainstream media won't take much time to seriously fact-check the movie, and Moore's assertions really will change minds. In short, Moynihan will be proven wrong: you really are entitled to your own facts.

        Which view is correct? I wish I knew.
        That, unfortunately, is my sentiment exactly...I fear this not only with people who see Moore's movie, but people who see ANYTHING that has a clear drawn side without checking the other end of the spectrum and trying to make an educated opinion. The luxury the leftist crowd has is the fact that most of the mouth breathers of the world will accept a movie over any other kind of publication....Oooh the pretty pictures make me forget everything I used to stand for...It's why commercials were invented.

        Scary.

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