Eclecticism no more

[floridaorange]

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wot?

[unkle]

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Nobody is considering the time.
A normal set How long it lasts?
3-4-5 hours ? Its not to much time to be eclectic.
A dj can play a couples of tracks of breaks or ambient
or whatever but just one or two and He has to break the line of the set
to put those tracks, the known djs play what the people want to hear from them,
you dont go to see digweed expecting to hear one hour of break beat.
this is different with the long sets when the dj can do whatever he wants
because they has all the time of the world to create the atmosphere
and Im talking about the clubs, Not of radio shows.

And yes, The djs not take too many risks.

[Rave Lizard]

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5 hours, not enough time to be eclectic? You're havin' a laugh! How long do you need?

[yerg]

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as far as I know 90 min. is the amount of time an average human can concentrate on 1 thing at a time, but today I think with young people it's even shorter, but I'm not sure, so a dj can play that much of one thing and not lose the attention of the crowd, but then he needs to change the pace, to freshen things up, this is where a different vibe would do the job

I can see that a dj could use the same style for this sort of approach just playing tracks recorded in a different key, but if the mixing is based on key matching it won't work very well, right? so a different style but in the same key would be a perfect solution imo

and then judging by the crowd you can switch back to building up again for another 90 min when you see that they're ready

however, I remember Sasha saying in an interview that when they played together with Digweed on a Delta Tour John would ignore the key matching and Sasha even said that "I would never play that track with this, but I guess that's what made us special" so it depends

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however, I remember Sasha saying in an interview that when they played together with Digweed on a Delta Tour John would ignore the key matching and Sasha even said that "I would never play that track with this, but I guess that's what made us special" so it depends

I would hardly call any of the Delta Heavy sets eclectic.

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95% of DJ's never play eclectic, and I don't see why they should. It's not about not taking risks. Most have built a career on a certain sound, yes it may progress over time, but most would not mash up one genre with another. Most DJ's have been pigeonholed for a reason, they play a specific type of music. If you want eclecticism you would be better off listening to people like Cut La Roc, David Holmes or even Fatboy Slim. Tenaglia used to be a good example 15 years ago, Garnier a bit. But you will be lucky to find it in a live set.

[yerg]

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I would hardly call any of the Delta Heavy sets eclectic.

I would either, my point was about mixing in key in that particular part of my post and not about eclecticism

I know what you mean about Fatboyslim and others, but I refer to djs that play progressive and darker sort of music, and not funky and choppie, sample based etc. I just say that when prog djs diversify their sets it is so much more fun, but I have absolutely nothing against pure prog sets built up in the right way

[DIDI]

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Hmmm I think it's very debatable, I suppose hence this thread

We had another similar thread arguing the eclecticism of Digweed.

People like Garnier, Josh Wink, Zabiela, I think they're still pretty eclectic. But the flow of the set is usually sacrificed for eclecticism.

Lee Burridge is always eclectic like Howells but they lean on the housier side. Craig Richards is eclectic too. As is DJ Three.

Warren is eclectic, that's pretty evident in his Soundgarden mixes. But he doesn't throw different genre tracks together, they're separated into chill and club sounds.

But you will find that DJs do not make 'eclecticism' their trademarks, they will not be playing 'eclecticism' in every single set.

I don't believe a DJ should be eclectic for the sake of eclecticism. I want to hear progression and programming in a set, not just variety.

Hear, hear !!

[Rave Lizard]

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I refer to djs that play progressive and darker sort of music, and not funky and choppie, sample based etc. I just say that when prog djs diversify their sets it is so much more fun, but I have absolutely nothing against pure prog sets built up in the right way

You have classed them as prog DJ's but then say you want them to be more diverse. But then it has to be dark and progressive? Then it's not eclectic.

[yerg]

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^ yeah it's matter of interpretation, if you read my first post in this thread you will see exactly to what sort of eclecticism, which is quite a huge term, I refer to

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Maybe you should try someone like this

https://soundcloud.com/simon-shackleton/simon-shackletons-one-playa-sunrise-at-nutz-camp-burning-man-2014

[Garrick]

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as far as I know 90 min. is the amount of time an average human can concentrate on 1 thing at a time

I was thinking more like 10 minutes

[yerg]

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Maybe you should try someone like this

https://soundcloud.com/simon-shackleton/simon-shackletons-one-playa-sunrise-at-nutz-camp-burning-man-2014

didn't have the chance to listen to the full thing so I skipped a few parts, and yeah this is well varied in places, but the rest is the same tech house plodding as most of the current sets, but I'll try to listen to more Shackleton, maybe I can find something really good, thanks for the lead

I was thinking more like 10 minutes

[el presidente Highsteppa]

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I think that if you're looking for eclectic dj sets, you're not going to find a lot of them being live sets, unless it's under some pretty specific circumstances.

Most club venues are going to want the dj to play stuff that's a bit recognizable, a bit new and overall pretty high energy, unless they're promoting a dj playing a "one of a kind set" (which usually means it's not so much a club experience, as much as it's more of a concert). The more eclectic sets are usually more reserved for home listening I find, and now come more often in the form of a studio mix or a podcast.

There are dj's taking risks out there, Armand Van Helden just put out a 3CD mix w/ Ministry of Sound and it's nothing like anything he's ever done - one disc is a very Masters At Work flavored house music set, the second disc is a lot of 80's rock and ballads that influenced him and the last disc is almost all 80's freestyle. It's not everyone's cup of tea (I personally fucking hate freestyle and it's immortality), but I think of it being similar to Danny Howell's chillout set from 2002.

I think also the genre of music you're looking for is also going to dictate whether the target audience is going to be receptive to someone that breaks away from the expected sounds and songs that are going to be played. You can't really take the same risks if you're a dj that plays more progressive house that you could if you were a turntablist minded dj like Coldcut or DK or a breaks dj like Krafty Kuts, where being experimental is part of the expectation.

If you want eclecticism, you're probably going to have to look outside of the genres and djs you like best and try out other genres that you might not be as receptive to. I find that you're more likely to be rewarded with what you're looking for when you venture further outside of your comfort zone, even if you need to sift through a lot of stuff that you might not like immediately.

[Rave Lizard]

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Armand played Hip Hop on the terrace at Space back in 2000 and it didn't go down well. Saying that I was at Space last year and someone was playing Drum & Bass in one of the side rooms.