Nick Warren GU028

[3d_1200]

Re: Nick Warren GU028

im not ripping on you for enjoying the set. buuut, melodic prog/trance is hardly groundbreaking. sorry to be the one to break the news.

Why does it always have to be about being "groundbreaking??" What about making good music, whether it's "groundbreaking" or not??

trust me when i say that i would never have brought that word up in the same sentance as this cd if it wasn't for someone else. claiming that a cd is groundbreaking means its going to influence all other djs in the genre and others and steer the music in a different direction. will minimal techno dj's hear this and say holy shit i've got it all wrong! i wasn't commenting on if the music was of good quality or not. im sure for the nick warren fans out there enjoyed it and thats fine. just trying to put it in perspective. it's fine to say you enjoyed it or not, but when you start saying that he is changing the face of edm is a bit far fetched.

[runningman]

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how horrible was this set of music. Did anyone else throw up when they heard this as well?

[Jenks]

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in our music the envelope is pushed harder than any other ...

huh?

+1 :?

[asdf_admin]

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[MusicJatt]

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pickle monkey,


what i meant is that compared to other forms of music, the demand for quality and innovation is much higher ... there really isnt a lot of room for error ...

[picklemonkey]

Re: Nick Warren GU028

pickle monkey,


what i meant is that compared to other forms of music, the demand for quality and innovation is much higher ... there really isnt a lot of room for error ...

huh? sorry to break it to you, but that "innovation" you're talking about isn't going to found in a genre where 20 different popular remixes of the same song is the norm.

I understand that you're passionate about your selection of music... we all are. but, you need to realize that you aren't more passionate than the people in the other genres. I think the general misconception is that because nobody else understands any form of EDM, they appear to be as passionate for any type of music. honestly, we probably fit that description perfectly to people on the inside of all other genres. As people, we're are allowed to tease people that listen to other genres of music/tell them that their music fucking blows because you don't like it... but assuming the following things shows either a lack of intelligence or a lack of consideration to others.

• assuming that the artists of any genre but yours don't try "pushing the envelope"
• assuming the artists of other genres don't care about the quality of the music that they produce
• assuming that the people who listen to any other genre don't care about the quality of what they listen to

seriously man. I'm not trying to flame you or piss you off, but do you really expect every other artist out there to not care about their music as much as a producer that sits on their ass in front of a computer? the same goes for the listeners... do you really think that they aren't as passionate about it as we are for our music? that's like saying "i love my child more than you love your child." of course, the correct answer is "I love my child, and I hate your child"

[MusicJatt]

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pickle,

read, what i said was in defense of quality music in this case Nick Warren and u couldnt piss me off just cause u typed a response.

Now as far as ur assumptions, i dont give a shit ... this isnt the only type of music i listen to ... look at some of my other posts where i mention people like jay z and saul williams

and with 20 different remixes to the same song, what is that some type of unwritten law u passed saying that now the music will become stagnant because of ur exagerated observation , b.s. something tells me thats not the case ... with different remixes to the same song u better have something different or its not gonna get played and if u have that many different takes on the same thing ur bound to find something different ...

for example, songs from other types of music often only have a few different remixes or remakes ...

as far as passion, i wasnt talking about the passion of the artist ... so work on ur comprehension skills so it doesn't sound like ur straring off into wild blue yonder or whatever else it is u do in that part of the country ...

i was talking about the demand not supply of music, the supply comes from the artist and demanded by listeners, back to ur 20 remixes, how would there be that many if there was no demand ...

the whole point of innovation was not made by me, look at my previous posts ... i remarked on again, the demand of it, the other posts remarked on how 28 wasn't innovated enough, when i read reviews of most other music rarely do i see so many references made to innovation therefore, i replied that Nick Warren supplies great music, i love that and don't feel ever release needs to be innovative.

now if u want to talk about the music in general in what other forms of music do see people coming up with stuff like "Maven" ... that's what i think of when someone mentions "pushing the evelope"

u made a fool of urself when u said things like teasing people - when did i do that ?? assumptions - if u read, ur the one supplying those -i was responding to another post hence that little button "post reply", passion - maybe the one thing u got right is that i am very passionate about the music but i wouldnt spend time in the Nation if i wasnt and the whole thing about loving ur children, made me smile


I still love ur name and aprreciate the way u came firing back but next time figure out what ur shooting at and why ... I'm not saying ur point of view is copletely inacurate i just dont know how it applies to me ...

catch u later, musicjatt

[3d_1200]

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to remix, and to be remixed is one of the main way's producers get heard. it's tough (not impossible) pitching an original track to a label when nobody knows who the hell you are. you obviously don't know the game. and most other genres dont have artists selling primarily singles or 12'''s for that matter. so thats why remixes play such a big part.. how many artists albums do you buy or even listen to a year from any EDM artist? and stop with the comparisons of EDM to any other genre of music. EDM is a whole different game my friend. so maybe you should stick with j z or sandra whoever else you said you like.

[MusicJatt]

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thanks for letting me know why remixes play such a big part in EDM but i was commenting on pickle's 20 remix comment maybe u 2 should talk ...

since u asked, i do buy edm artist album's, I havent done so recently maybe u could suggest some for me ...

and sticking to Jay Z albums i think i will but i still love EDM and now i'm becoming fond of your knowledge of how the EDM game works, i hope u continue to drop more knowledge on me ... by the way if two things are different wouldn't it be interesting to compare them ... for example when i said that the comments made in reviews of albums from different types of music can really show you similairities amongst the listeners in one form of music and how they are different from another. Maybe hip hop and edm as an example ...

- MusicJatt

[3d_1200]

Re: Nick Warren GU028

artist albums are hard to find, and very few (worth listening to) are put our each year. most notably would be deep dish's george is on. however its nothing groundbreaking and is marketed to a different group of people then say someone like GU or Renaissance markets to. Most cd's that get released are mix comps. thats what sells in the edm market. well especially house/trance/breaks. i can't speak for some of the more obscure genre's like ambient, downtempo etc. Sasha has done a couple artist albums, although the last couple hes done for GU were primarily re-edits as oppossed to originals. big difference imo. i mentioned artist albums to show that edm relies on different methods to sell music to its audience then basically any other genre, that to me is why its so special. when you go out on a club night, the majority of people couldn't name the track title/prodcer/or label of the track they are listening to. but go to a dave matthews concert and ask anyone there what song they are listening to, obviously they'd know and i'm sure they would also know all the words as well. thats why i dont understand concerts, why do you pay $50 to hear a guy sing live (usually sounds MUCH MUCH MUCH worse then studio recording) tracks you paid $22 on that super limited edition holograph cd that comes with one of daves pubic hairs for your personal collection. why do people pay that much to hear watered down versions of music they already own? i'd be striaght pissed if i saw a dj and every record he played was one i could find in my own record box. how boring.

[evangelion]

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however its nothing groundbreaking...

There's that word again. So tell me, uber music critic extraordinaire, exactly what is groundbreaking to thy heavenly trained ears???

[palmer]

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So many innovations have taken place maybe Warren's return to the classic is being innovative by playing QUALITY music that we're overlooking in this witch hunt.

Going back what 3-5years? That is not "innovation", it is hanging on by a thread.

I'm really suprised there hasn't been any upheaval in this thread other than 3d_1200000. So lets stoke it up.

This mix was a pile of shit.
I honestly fell asleep listening to it.
Someone convince me to give it another shot.

[3d_1200]

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however its nothing groundbreaking...

There's that word again. So tell me, uber music critic extraordinaire, exactly what is groundbreaking to thy heavenly trained ears???

early this year there was an interview with deep dish about the george is on album. they talked about how they were going to come with this new rock infused electro sound in hopes of steering house music in a more nautural sounding direction. i envisioned more tracks similar to flash dance, with the guitar riffs etc etc but that didn't happen. using the set MS hosted as an example, they are still playing techy and big room house (for the most part).

ok anyways, i don't know if your trying to stir something up evangelion or what. it's difficult reffering to any cd/comp as groundbreaking really. especially in modern times of edm where overall sales is much more of an influence when deciding the content for the cd.

groundbreaking is forward thinking, and generally get's its merrits well after it's initial release. i however consider dj's themselves to be groundbreaking. sasha and digweed, especially with the delta heavy tour/norther exposures/ and there respective GU releases. i dont think the US (inperticular) has ever seen something quite that extroidinare (sp?) from an EDM duo/group/artist ever? it was amazing because nobody had ever seen or really heard something like that before. how many people post on this message board because they still remember how fucking awesome that tour was. or how many people changed from concerts to clubs after a delta heavy party.

listen to 2 phat cunts - ride. released in '98, the track still sounds like it was made this year. another example of someone who could be considered ground breaking. the innovation he brought to the studio and the excitement he could generate about his music was truely impressive. I do not think we have seen a producer nearly as talented since. i dont sit at home and listen to bt 's tracks from 2000 every night, but it's foolish to deny his skills considering how far technology has come since then.

someone like richie hawtin, he has god like status in my old town of detroit, and his legacy still lives on through most of the old jaded ravers who live there. he basically spoiled the city for years because when he left, everyone was looking for someone who could replace him and his music, which of course is not going to happen.

danny tenaglia is another example to me. he's owned NYC (the biggest stage on the planet) for more years then perhaps i've even been listening to music. his influence on the scene inspired everyone, and he's worked with such a wide variety of artists, it wasn't just the tribal house scene that he influenced, it was the scene itself. his be yourself nights, think what you want about them, they simply are incredible. marathon sets for countless hours in an alcohol free enviroment. music first.

these are people imo, who took music and the perception of the music, to an entirely different level. different from soemeone like tiesto, who simply uses trance music like a $3 whore from gary indiana to gain exposure for him and his giant ego. and these people do it not nessesarily through a single cd release, but by conveying an contageous attitude to the scene inspiring many for years to come to follow in there footsteps. i.e - mercury server.

and of course there are others, but you should be able to see by now where im going with this. so dont reply with oh what about this guy, i think he fits the bill. the whole reason i said anything in the first place, was someone said Nick Warrens gu was groundbreaking, and if a 3rd double cd release in the same series with the same exact style is groundbreaking, were all in for some serious trouble. possbily a good time to get back into punk rock.

[evangelion]

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You see...now I know what you do find groundbreaking, instead of what you don't. Good job.

[unrecogniseduser]

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I saw Nick warren play in Manchester last weekend, he played a 3 hour set with quite a few tracks off the GU28 cd. It was a really good night, good job i saw the poster as we were gonna see something that was probably gonna be shite. Anyone got any idea who dj lee ellis is?