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  • robprunzit
    Are you Kidding me??
    • Jun 2004
    • 4805

    #16
    Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

    I think so many of you people who have been educated to believe what you think is true is a sad case of manipulation in the worlds Socialistically based educational arena all around the world.

    Educators are working harder and harder today to 'make' the mindset of our young similar to their own. Not much different than how Hitler manipulated his own people, and the communist manipulated their masses. This time it is systematic manipulation of the young toward liberalism through education.

    Liberalism is an emotion based thought process, which overrides all logically based thought processes. Uncontrolled emotion always leads people in the wrong direction. Balanced thought processes are more difficult, take more time, require more effort, and always go against the grain of thought most people are willing to believe. Liberalism equals Laziness.

    Why does Bush have a low rating. Because Americans are lacking memory of the past; are intellectually lazy; and are willing to follow the feeling of the moment. We have always gotten tired of important issues over time, since the changes of the 1960's. Prior to the 60's, we were a different people. Today we are too busy with our life to be bothered with research and understanding about what is happening in other cultures. Willing to follow the emotion of others, without thought for ourself, and the lack of desire to think based on FULL research of issues. All this and yet, liberalism is dieing in America. So an approach has mounted to change the mind of the young in order to keep a party and thought process alive.

    Some of you who would luv to see Bush impeached are still harboring resentment for the Clinton being impeached for his lies to protect his integrity.

    If you use reason, in your thought processes, and separate your desires from the discussion here, you might REMEMBER the past. I'm not going list all the issues which led up to the invasion of Iraq, you can research it if you can't remember the events. Instead my approach is in a different direction.

    There were so many scenarios for the need to get Suddam out of the leadership of Iraq. The world is blessed that he is in prison, where he needs to stay. The Iraqi people tell you this everyday with their actions. Most of the Iraqi dead, were men standing in line to help defend their country. Think about it, if they did not support the changes, why do they stand in dangerous lines to apply for dangerous jobs of police and/or military work.

    Why did families take children out to the streets under threat of bombings to vote?
    Why do the men KEEP ON standing in lines to sign up for duty?

    Use 'reason' in your thought process. Try to remove your personal opinions and look at the BIG picture. The change is excellent for the entire region, and especially the Iraqi people, mainly women and children. FREEDOM from tyranny is needed in the world. Look at the people who try to stop the change. They are butchers without any care of human life, and with their own hands and a big knife cut off heads of anyone who stands in the way. I have seen and kept the videos. Have you seen the beheading of men? Do you like to place yourself on their side? That is truly what you are doing, you are siding with the enemy. People willing to cut your throat while you lie there awake and bound with a rope, on video. Then they place the removed head on the chest and video it upclose. TRUE SICKNESS, and you are siding with them because of your lack of full understanding.

    Put aside your HATRED for Bush, or the conservative party, or republicans, and look deeper into the whole situation. Don't just listen to your educators, read both sides of the issues. Listen to those who will give you the other side and then make your decisions based on a full knowledge. Don't be ignorant because of your personal bias, or the bias taught to you by your friends or educators. Question some of what you read.

    This change is good in Iraq, just like it has been good in Afghanistan. And in the future, could be good if it can happen in Iran. I personally know Iranians who want to see this change in their country. Well, another issue, but based on the same NEED AND DESIRE these oppressed people have for FREEDOM.

    I'm not going to list all the facts for going to war with Saddam and the Islamic Western haters. But, I believe if we were not fighting this war in the middle east, we would be fighting it in the Western countries, primarily the USA.

    The fight was brought to us, now we have taken it the them.

    Think about it this way. If you were a father, had a daughter who was raped by a boy in a neighborhood 1 mile away. Had the knowledge of this boy raping your daughter, and this boy was threatening to rape other girls unless someone stopped him. Would you sit back and say; let some time pass, lets see IF he does it again. Of would you TAKE THE STEPS necessary to get him in court to be held responsible for the crimes, and remove the threat from your community.

    Middle Eastern normal everyday people cannot make this change without our help, and they are being held hostage to the ideals of EXTREME religious views, which most of them do not hold in their hearts. They only want to live like we live, with freedom to make their own choices, and have the opportunity to make a better life for their families.

    I live in a city of 4 million people. 40,000 are Iranian here, 40,000 are Russian here, 100,000 latinos here, 10,000 each of many peoples including Czech, Polish, other European. Also many African countries are represented here now. Thousands of Ethiopian, Sudanese, Indian, Middle Eastern, Albanian and Serbian. Chinese, and Korean communities are spreading quickly here. We have a huge Brazilian people group here now. I could keep on listing them. Why are they here ... they want opportunity and freedom to improve their lives.

    The middle east hardly has that chance today without our help.

    Review the facts please. Search for knowledge on both sides of the issue. Look at the world with a LONG TERM view, in stead of the typical 'short term view' for this season of irrational uncontrolled emotion.
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    • face
      Getting Somewhere
      • Jun 2004
      • 179

      #17
      Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

      Originally posted by davetlv
      more specifically remember that Barak offered the PA almost everything they demanded and instead of accepting the offer they refused and didn't even make a counter proposal (you know through negotiations), Arafat decided it would be more fruitful to send his homicide bombers back to our streets.
      that is complete BS and you know it. if you believe the "official" accounts of ross, indyk, malley, albright, et. al. then you might believe that. how could ross publish his memoirs with anything but the "official" truth in it? they all have to stick to their story. ross himself kept the onyl existing records of what transpired at camp david. read clayton swisher's riveting account (the truth about camp david); he was personally there, watching the whole thing from the background, and later interviewed hundreds of persons involved, including all the major players.

      his conclusions: just like the failed negotiations with syria, israeli officials purposefully made arafat's team an offer they knew would never be accepted, in order to initiate a smear campaign of blame. clinton's last-ditch effort was a thinly guised attempt by ihm to receive the nobel peace prize; barak's popularity domestically was waning and he could not make any deal with the palestinians. so before you go spitting out the old rhetoric that everyone has been trained to do, look at what really happened. barak offered arafat a swiss cheese map of bantustans knowing very well that he could never accept that deal. albright and barak and other officials openly admitted they used the media and other methods to tarnish the image of the palestinians and lay all the blame on them. why the palestinians never rebutted these horrid accusations is beyond me, however. do yourself a favor: read this book.

      Please read the history of the start of the 1967 conflict, from reliable sources. (I can supply you with some pretty neutal one should you need them.) Israel never invaded anyone in 1967.
      a LOT has been written about the bizarre 1967 six-day war. many of these accounts are conflicting and it is hard to actualyl decide what is real and what is fabrication. so, i'm curious to see what your suggestions are for "neutral" sources. my friend just wrote a 20-page study on the historiographical state of the literature about the '67 war; her conclusions were not suprising. many different players were involved in this war--not just israel and the arabs. russia and the united states, and other european countries such as france, also played significant roles in this conflict.

      funny that russia secretly informed nasir that israeli troops were marching towards damascus (this never happened, and why would they tell the egyptians and not the syrians themselves???). the herut party in israel then formed a coalition government and agreed to implement a preemptive war, once nasir closed off the strait of tiran--the israelis had a three-front war plan on the shelf for at least 5-10 years prior. one of the most disturbing accounts presents proof that president johnson (LBJ) gave israelis the okay to engage in a preemptive war; however, he urged them to avoid getting blamed for having started the war. soon, the israeli government leaked a fake press release and before you know it, all the morning papers had the headline "egyptians marching towards border" (also not true at all). the details after that are fairly accurate in many accounts, but it is specifically what sparked the war that is so controversial--and i've heard dozens of explanations and combinations thereof.

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      • eye-p
        Getting Somewhere
        • May 2005
        • 101

        #18
        Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

        Originally posted by robprunzit
        I think so many of you people who have been educated to believe what you think is true is a sad case of manipulation in the worlds Socialistically based educational arena all around the world.

        Educators are working harder and harder today to 'make' the mindset of our young similar to their own. Not much different than how Hitler manipulated his own people, and the communist manipulated their masses. This time it is systematic manipulation of the young toward liberalism through education.

        Liberalism is an emotion based thought process, which overrides all logically based thought processes. Uncontrolled emotion always leads people in the wrong direction. Balanced thought processes are more difficult, take more time, require more effort, and always go against the grain of thought most people are willing to believe. Liberalism equals Laziness.

        Why does Bush have a low rating. Because Americans are lacking memory of the past; are intellectually lazy; and are willing to follow the feeling of the moment. We have always gotten tired of important issues over time, since the changes of the 1960's. Prior to the 60's, we were a different people. Today we are too busy with our life to be bothered with research and understanding about what is happening in other cultures. Willing to follow the emotion of others, without thought for ourself, and the lack of desire to think based on FULL research of issues. All this and yet, liberalism is dieing in America. So an approach has mounted to change the mind of the young in order to keep a party and thought process alive.

        Some of you who would luv to see Bush impeached are still harboring resentment for the Clinton being impeached for his lies to protect his integrity.

        If you use reason, in your thought processes, and separate your desires from the discussion here, you might REMEMBER the past. I'm not going list all the issues which led up to the invasion of Iraq, you can research it if you can't remember the events. Instead my approach is in a different direction.

        There were so many scenarios for the need to get Suddam out of the leadership of Iraq. The world is blessed that he is in prison, where he needs to stay. The Iraqi people tell you this everyday with their actions. Most of the Iraqi dead, were men standing in line to help defend their country. Think about it, if they did not support the changes, why do they stand in dangerous lines to apply for dangerous jobs of police and/or military work.

        Why did families take children out to the streets under threat of bombings to vote?
        Why do the men KEEP ON standing in lines to sign up for duty?

        Use 'reason' in your thought process. Try to remove your personal opinions and look at the BIG picture. The change is excellent for the entire region, and especially the Iraqi people, mainly women and children. FREEDOM from tyranny is needed in the world. Look at the people who try to stop the change. They are butchers without any care of human life, and with their own hands and a big knife cut off heads of anyone who stands in the way. I have seen and kept the videos. Have you seen the beheading of men? Do you like to place yourself on their side? That is truly what you are doing, you are siding with the enemy. People willing to cut your throat while you lie there awake and bound with a rope, on video. Then they place the removed head on the chest and video it upclose. TRUE SICKNESS, and you are siding with them because of your lack of full understanding.

        Put aside your HATRED for Bush, or the conservative party, or republicans, and look deeper into the whole situation. Don't just listen to your educators, read both sides of the issues. Listen to those who will give you the other side and then make your decisions based on a full knowledge. Don't be ignorant because of your personal bias, or the bias taught to you by your friends or educators. Question some of what you read.

        This change is good in Iraq, just like it has been good in Afghanistan. And in the future, could be good if it can happen in Iran. I personally know Iranians who want to see this change in their country. Well, another issue, but based on the same NEED AND DESIRE these oppressed people have for FREEDOM.

        I'm not going to list all the facts for going to war with Saddam and the Islamic Western haters. But, I believe if we were not fighting this war in the middle east, we would be fighting it in the Western countries, primarily the USA.

        The fight was brought to us, now we have taken it the them.

        Think about it this way. If you were a father, had a daughter who was raped by a boy in a neighborhood 1 mile away. Had the knowledge of this boy raping your daughter, and this boy was threatening to rape other girls unless someone stopped him. Would you sit back and say; let some time pass, lets see IF he does it again. Of would you TAKE THE STEPS necessary to get him in court to be held responsible for the crimes, and remove the threat from your community.

        Middle Eastern normal everyday people cannot make this change without our help, and they are being held hostage to the ideals of EXTREME religious views, which most of them do not hold in their hearts. They only want to live like we live, with freedom to make their own choices, and have the opportunity to make a better life for their families.

        I live in a city of 4 million people. 40,000 are Iranian here, 40,000 are Russian here, 100,000 latinos here, 10,000 each of many peoples including Czech, Polish, other European. Also many African countries are represented here now. Thousands of Ethiopian, Sudanese, Indian, Middle Eastern, Albanian and Serbian. Chinese, and Korean communities are spreading quickly here. We have a huge Brazilian people group here now. I could keep on listing them. Why are they here ... they want opportunity and freedom to improve their lives.

        The middle east hardly has that chance today without our help.

        Review the facts please. Search for knowledge on both sides of the issue. Look at the world with a LONG TERM view, in stead of the typical 'short term view' for this season of irrational uncontrolled emotion.
        You need to turn of Fox News.

        Im surprised you didnt say "freedom is on the march". Maybe you could take a swipe at the ACLU while you are at it.
        Peak Oil

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        • face
          Getting Somewhere
          • Jun 2004
          • 179

          #19
          Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

          since when is liberalism defined as emotional and conservatism as rational?



          oh, and...

          islamic western haters
          what?

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          • davetlv
            Platinum Poster
            • Jun 2004
            • 1205

            #20
            Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

            I'm usually intrested on what you have to say face, i find your post most informative and up until now most balanced.

            However on reading this:

            Originally posted by face
            the herut party in israel then formed a coalition government
            i realised that you actually dont have a clue about this subject.

            A simple search would show you that Herut (and subsequently Likud) did not come to power until Begin a whole ten years after the 6 day war of 1967.

            The Prime Minister at the time was in fact Levi Eshkol and the party in power was Mapai (who in 1968 merged with other left wing parties to form the Israeli Labour Party.)

            Such a mistake on your part kind of dismisses the rest of the post for me.

            Think what you like about me and my views, but know this, I know the history of my country far better then you. Additionally i am able to admit the injustices that my country carries out and i know what the only solution to the conflict can be. I also recognise the injustices of the other side, and am big enough to know that it takes two to tango.

            Stop this incessent blame on everything wrong here on Israel, we never started this conflict - that doesnt mean we're blameless for our actions during it - just acknowledge that both sides have handdled the situation badly and maybe, just maybe, we can then move on to a just settlement for all.

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            • face
              Getting Somewhere
              • Jun 2004
              • 179

              #21
              Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

              Originally posted by davetlv
              i realised that you actually dont have a clue about this subject.
              ouch. that hurts, man. so i realize i was way hungover when i was posting that message this morning, but i should have noticed my error. yes i know eshkol was pm at the time, as he suggested overthrowing the syrian regime in may 67. in my notes from class i have herut written down but as you say this is impossible--could be that i just wrote down what my senile professor was saying--so yes, my mistake.

              so give me a break...the rest of my post was pretty on point if i may say so myself.

              and the whole israel blame game would be done with if people were more candid and honest about what happened.

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              • face
                Getting Somewhere
                • Jun 2004
                • 179

                #22
                Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                and yes, you do know more about your country than i do, as well you should.

                but that doesn't mean i'm clueless about it.

                i just want it to end. 19, 20, or 22% of palestine would be enough. you have the power to end it.

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                • davetlv
                  Platinum Poster
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 1205

                  #23
                  Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                  Originally posted by face
                  i just want it to end. 19, 20, or 22% of palestine would be enough. you have the power to end it.
                  No mate, WE BOTH have the power to end it. Its that simple.

                  And lets not talk about percentages of palestine, because that opens up a far greater can of worms. . . .

                  For this senseless and bloody conflict to end BOTH parties have to give. At this moment in time I dont see that, do you?

                  As for your previous point about your last post being 'pretty to the point' - i disagree, the main cause of the 1967 war you have omitted. What you wrote was nice conjecture but thats it.

                  If you want to read about look up the six day war on Wikipedia (pretty neutral i'm sure you'll agree) Heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

                  Enjoy!!!!!

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                  • superdave
                    Platinum Poster
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 1366

                    #24
                    Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                    Bush won't be impeached. The Republicans have a majority in Congress and if I recall correctly it takes a majority or 2/3 to convict.

                    So, we're stuck with President Bush unless he decides to do a Nixon and resign. Better hope he doesn't resign then Cheney will be in charge and really let you liberals have it. Cheney is a hawk and would be quick to tell the world and especially liberals to go fuck themselves.
                    Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte

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                    • face
                      Getting Somewhere
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 179

                      #25
                      Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                      i didn't say that israel's bellicose intentions were the sole reason for the war. in fact, i explicitly noted that there were several other factors and combinations thereof which led to the war. the sinai peninsula and the strait of tiran were main bodies of contention here. egypt, syria, and jordan were equally involved in this mess, and as i mentioned the US and USSR cannot be left out either.

                      i read oren's take on the six-day war, among others, and agreed with much of it.

                      as for the power to end this, i think it's simple. as you said, willingness to give on all sides is a must. however, i don't think the gaza withdrawal would count as a "give"--maybe a step towards one. and as i said, i think truth and honesty play a large role in this. the things that no one can admit are the things that hurt the most right now. the inability and unwillingness to speak candidly is a main hindrance to the process. the refugee issue, for example, will never be discussed because if the refugee problem is admitted or recognized, then it is implied that israel was born in sin. just one example, there.

                      the reason i said you have the power to end this, and not we, is because our government supports you no matter what your government does. despite this being a democracy, both parties in this country could be crippled severely if they did not give heed to israel's wishes. therefore, the change can only come from within your country and the lands it occupies--palestinians included. the palestinians want this more than anything. they just want it to end, but they are powerless.

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                      • robprunzit
                        Are you Kidding me??
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 4805

                        #26
                        Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                        Originally posted by eye-p
                        Originally posted by robprunzit
                        Review the facts please. Search for knowledge on both sides of the issue. Look at the world with a LONG TERM view, in stead of the typical 'short term view' for this season of irrational uncontrolled emotion.


                        You need to turn of Fox News.

                        Im surprised you didnt say "freedom is on the march". Maybe you could take a swipe at the ACLU while you are at it.

                        :? :?
                        Excuse me, but turning on FOX and other medias where you can hear other the leftish slant is exactly what I'm implying many of you NEED to do, so that you can at least HEAR the other side, whether you want to believe it or not.

                        And you know what is a sad truth, but most slanted comments (like the ACLU comment) come when one know deeply inside that he hasn't a clue.

                        I don't mean to come across in an ugly manner, I don't mean it that way, really. I just don't hear the Left leaning toward balance, only emotional responces based on personal opinions. I sadly think that many of you, only want to hear the left side, and can't handle digging into the thought process of hearing opposition with clarity, instead of emotion and cute 'out of place' comments. Comments which are devised to take away from the debate, not add to it.

                        By the way, CNN's ratings are down the tube. About the only thing you hear on CNN, is leftish slant, so when there are two opposing opinions on FOX, you consider it right sided. :?
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                        • face
                          Getting Somewhere
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 179

                          #27
                          Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                          this left-right talk is just bullshit.

                          and if cnn is left-wing, then "god" help us, because i can't even describe what my views are.

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                          • robprunzit
                            Are you Kidding me??
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 4805

                            #28
                            Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                            Originally posted by face
                            since when is liberalism defined as emotional and conservatism as rational?



                            oh, and...

                            islamic western haters
                            what?



                            FIRST:
                            Who said it had to be defined as anything correct or incorrect, prior to my view?
                            Does someone of stature have to say it first for you to HEAR it?
                            Does some definition make it valid?

                            Is that the way your taught in school, ie, not to use your own BRAIN, and formulate your own VIEWS, based on the truth as you see it?

                            Maybe I am right, or wrong. I don't need someone to define it sometime earlier, for me to say it as I see it. We should be educated to think first, and follow second. Not follow first, and decide later. Thats how Hitler dominated millions of people. History follows patterns, cycles, and loops around eventually, in different but similiar ways. Get it?

                            SECOND:
                            Oh, Face, since you didn't understand my terminology, ie, ''islamic western haters''. Only a 'politically incorrect' comment on my part, but still a truthful fact. That is, in Islam, they are taught to hate the WEST, that the West is of Satan. Haven't you heard that from them before? (Maybe not, since your probably only watching CNN.) So I only termed what I have heard come from many of the militants mouths. More could be said, but there isn't a need here for a different discussion. Oh, before you call me a racist, please know that I almost married an Iranian girl, and one of my best friends is Muslim from Libya. So, lets not go there please.
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                            • robprunzit
                              Are you Kidding me??
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 4805

                              #29
                              Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                              Originally posted by face
                              this left-right talk is just bullshit.

                              and if cnn is left-wing, then "god" help us, because i can't even describe what my views are.

                              You see this is the problem, you are not even capable of seeing it. Maybe you are left of CNN and the way their media is broadcast. Your entitled to your choices, and beliefs, and thats fine and great.

                              The problem is the Left doesn't like it that some THINK at all, much less differently than they believe. Thats why you can't even see it, or HEAR it, on a network which strives to give both sides of the story and allow debate from qualified people on both sides of the issues.

                              Thats near sighted, and shows a lack of interest on your side to look past your own emotion based belief structure, which was probably taught to you.
                              AT THE FORK, TAKE THE RIGHT DIRECTION

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                              • Balanc3
                                Platinum Poster
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 1278

                                #30
                                Re: Impeachment of George W. Bush

                                Senator Ted Kennedy has raised his powerful voice on this issue.

                                Please thank him, and ask him to address the constitutional consequences of this evidence by endorsing a full congressional investigation via the House Judiciary Committee on whether the President has committed impeachable offenses.

                                Read Kennedy's statement:


                                Sign his petition:


                                Also contact him here:


                                Or call: 202/224-4543 or 617/565-3170

                                Or write to:

                                315 Russell Senate Office Building
                                Washington, DC 20510

                                or

                                2400 JFK Building
                                Boston, MA 02203
                                And I should trust this guy? This is defintaly a call from the far-left, Moveon.org was discussing impeachment in the works before the re-election. However I believe a lot of people are disgusted with our President since becoming re-elected. A lot of policy has just been slipped through with little or no restraint. The general public has no voice and has done nothing to dispute this. You can always expect this to happen during any incumbent's second term. I agree with what someone said about this far-left, far-right bullshit. It comes hand in hand, at this point I believe both Democrat and Republican are bad for this country.
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