Impeachment of George W. Bush

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i dunno where you're getting this from but i think you've got your sides mixed up.

by the way, the very definition of liberalism is being open to change, not thought control as you would have it.

oh, and screw cnn AND fox. people think everything is all black and white. there's more to the world than the media monopolies.

[Balanc3]

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Sides? Who takes sides?

Our elected officials are supposed to be making decisions that benefit public interest, not themselves. I don't see anything being done for the american public. This will never happen with our two party system. Bigger things have to happen other than just impeaching Bush.

[thesightless]

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Sides? Who takes sides?

Our elected officials are supposed to be making decisions that benefit public interest, not themselves. I don't see anything being done for the american public. This will never happen with our two party system. Bigger things have to happen other than just impeaching Bush.

yup, im tired of arguing about this stuff, i like to play devils advocate, and thats why i throw out the views of both sides, particularly the slight right. i hate the radicals from both sides. they do nothing good and just cause more separation in the gov;t. i wish they would come together sooner than later. we cant have everyone being a mike moore or Toby Keith (is that the country star psycho?). we need more people who give both sides without slants on the info.

few more things.

1. dont trust a kennedy, go read about their family got into the bootlegging and somehow worked out a deal where they get money from nearly every spirit/alcoholic beverage inported to the US.

2. and i know dean got elected with overwhelming support, but then why do i have CNN/MSNBC/CSPAN on every morning and hear numerous politicians from the party complaining about what he does. i'll start keeping track if you want. they did like him, but even Lieberman said the guy is a bit out of control.

3. liberalism isnt morally wrong or evil. it neccessary, because if we let the far right take over we will end up in a military state where your every minute will be accounted for. letting them take control for any extended period of time will lead to nothing good. there needs to be a balance in the US gov't that embraces both ideals for the right reasons, and abandons the wrong reasons.

lastly, im in complete agreement with robo about learning about the "other side". i started to watch and read a lot more about the right once Bush beat Gore. i knew he had the appeal to win because a lot of the US(i guess about 50%) found him to be thier candidate and got him elected. you wont learn anything about your enemy if you dont study him. i used to be a little leftist kid who hated govt', but by taking some time to learn about things they want, i moved to the center of things realizing how far apart this country's political parties are. we cant have either party doing what they want to in terms of turning the country entirely to the left or right. it just isnt good for anyone in the long run.

[ekm]

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For the record, John Conyers is great! His district is right next to the one I am in and he is THE oposition to GWB in the House.

The nation should thank John Conyers for standing up for Americans.

[eye-p]

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Agreed. In fact, please go to www.johnconyers.com and sign his petition.

[robprunzit]

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Sides? Who takes sides?

Our elected officials are supposed to be making decisions that benefit public interest, not themselves. I don't see anything being done for the american public. This will never happen with our two party system. Bigger things have to happen other than just impeaching Bush.

yup, im tired of arguing about this stuff, i like to play devils advocate, and thats why i throw out the views of both sides, particularly the slight right. i hate the radicals from both sides. they do nothing good and just cause more separation in the gov;t. i wish they would come together sooner than later. we cant have everyone being a mike moore or Toby Keith (is that the country star psycho?). we need more people who give both sides without slants on the info.


lastly, im in complete agreement with robo about learning about the "other side". i started to watch and read a lot more about the right once Bush beat Gore. i knew he had the appeal to win because a lot of the US(i guess about 50%) found him to be thier candidate and got him elected. you wont learn anything about your enemy if you dont study him. i used to be a little leftist kid who hated govt', but by taking some time to learn about things they want, i moved to the center of things realizing how far apart this country's political parties are. we cant have either party doing what they want to in terms of turning the country entirely to the left or right. it just isnt good for anyone in the long run.

Well, sightless, I think you have the key. An open mind to investigate the other side. Much of the people are clueless because they don't take the time to listen and learn what the other side is saying. It is truely the only way to know where you stand on an issue, otherwise we are only standing for what someone else believes to be true.

I agreed with much of your thoughts and appreciate the comments. Its not the side one is on that pisses me off, its the lack of understanding the BIG picture.

America is at war. Like it or not. We are, and we are fighting it on foreign soil. I personally like that stragedy, it is keeping those guys busy, where they live, not busy trying to hit us on our soil again. Terrorism is a fact. It has been for the past 2 decades, and it isn't going away until dictators who support them and fund their aggression are stopped.

Personally, I think Bush as well as the rest of the world believed the WMD's were in Iraq. Suddam never showed proof of getting rid of the stuff. So is it gone? Who knows?

This Iraqi War and War for Freedom in the Middle East is bigger than most really seem to think about. I personally believe MOST Muslims are by far great people with a desire just to live like the rest of the World. The majority in Iran want freedom, but they cannot act on it without risking their life and the life of their whole family if they in some way stand up against the government. So it is truely hard for them to make change.

Afghanistan was the same. Now democractic free thanks to the fight for change. Iraq was the same, and now democratic free thanks to the sacrifice of so many innocent Iraqis, and volunteer Iraqi police and Army. and other countries including Americans. The change has started, it cannot be stopped. 100 years from now, a free democratic Iraq will tell stories of how their fathers fought, so they could vote, go to school, travel, trade, and live like the rest of the world. So women could live the same as the men. All the people Free from any controllers over them.

This is what America has ALWAYS stood up for in the world, starting with our own country and its ancestors for the last 400 years. It takes time, and there is never a perfect place.

Back to Iraq, there is new evidence that shows so much of the insurgency in Iraq is actually coming from not just Syria, but Iran. They have to stop us, we are a threat to them. Think about the big picture!

Imams have control in Iran. Had control in Afghanistan, and a dictator in Iraq who really didnt care about his on people.

Change is happening in this region of the world, for the first time in 1500 years, since Muhammed started the religion and swept across North Africa, South-Europe, and the Middle East. Luckily Europe pushed them back, but not in Africa or the Mid East. So now change is happening. There will be much sacrifice. A volunteer American military is dealing with it, and helping an Iraqi people take their country back.

We should support what most Iraqi people want for their country. The only reason we have this debate is because of POLITICS, and a filthy lieing hatred from both sides of the spectrum. But, in the end, I think we have to take a stand on one side or the other, with full knowledge of the issues and voice our concerns.

Right, Left, or Center. Another discussion entirely. Just get knowledge of the issue from many sources and try to understand it from an 'other side of the world' perspective. Try to see the BIG picture in all of this craziness.

And, lastly, yes the Kennedy's are fools. I believe more an enemy to this country than many other politicians. Same for Joe Biden, and several others too.

[Kobe]

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They have found more shocking revelation in the Downing Street Memo.... Brace youselves for this, but it turns out that water is wet, the sky is blue, and Christmas is in December.

[face]

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Check out the Live Q&A on the Downing Street Memo at Washington Post's Web site:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/06/14/DI2005061401261.html

questions will be answered by michael smith, who initially broke the story in the Sunday Times.

(you might have to register to read, it's free)

[Balanc3]

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So, we're stuck with President Bush unless he decides to do a Nixon and resign. Better hope he doesn't resign then Cheney will be in charge and really let you liberals have it. Cheney is a hawk and would be quick to tell the world and especially liberals to go fuck themselves.

Living with Bush is hard enough, however I can wait another three years than see Cheney succeed Bush.

Downing Street is a lingering dream that the Democrats have been holding onto since Gore. It's time to let go, restructure and pray for another Clinton (*cough Kennedy*) to come sweep America off it's feet with his good looks.

It's hard to find a middle, while politicians keep pulling each end of the strings. But I believe robprunzit is correct and we all need to look at the BIG picture and standup for ourselves. I love my freedoms and understand what the Iraqi people fight for, but I only see Americans following Britains right into a police state. Fourty years ago, this would have spawned a revolution.

[markhadley]

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up until bush`s re-election i must admit to being politically apathetic. i would get my political news updates from bill maher and dennis miller and politics would be funny and quirky, nothing more.
but since bush has been around things aren`t so light-hearted. his presidency is characterized by arrogance and recklessness.
If you have any hesitation in agreeing with that, read Robery Byrd`s diatribe, `Losing America`. He presents a pretty (albeit longwinded) convincing case.

[robprunzit]

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and you probably support Durban's comments too!

[BeachBum]

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Shut the Fuuuu

[polar]

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well for the record, i do support durbin's comments.....instead of reading the 1-line, often sited blurb....read the whole text...understand the context.
i mean, for god's sake, what is the difference between what we are doing and what those horrible regimes did in their prisons ? i mean, an unknown number of prisoners have DIED while prisoner ! wake up and look at what's going on....
we have lost our moral superiority....at least in the eyes of the world.
and it will take us a long time to get it back.

as far as impeachment goes....if the dems had the house, we'd be watching hearings on cnn by now....
the writing could not be more clearly written on the wall.....they lied. bush has been quoted as early as 1999 saying if he had the chance, he would finish the job in iraq. and the downing street memo are our generation's version of the white house tapes during watergate.

we all need to say on this....

[superdave]

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Durbin apologized about his comments, so I'm not so sure about you agreeing with him any longer.

As for impeachment, I doubt it's their true objective. I think the Democrats want to to do well in 2006 and/or 2008 by damaging the administration. They know impeachment is highly unlikely to happen.

[robprunzit]

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[quote="polar"]well for the record, i do support durbin's comments.....instead of reading the 1-line, often sited blurb....read the whole text...understand the context.
i mean, for god's sake, what is the difference between what we are doing and what those horrible regimes did in their prisons ? i mean, an unknown number of prisoners have DIED while prisoner ! wake up and look at what's going on....
we have lost our moral superiority....at least in the eyes of the world.
and it will take us a long time to get it back.[quote]

Wow, I'm taken back by your 'thought' that what is happening in GITMO is somehow even able to be compared to: Gas Chambers, Killing Fields, and whatever the Communist may have done to prisoners during their time. I am actually having to restrain myself from spouting out comments which would not be appropriate.

Well, really think about it. I have heard 2 Senators comment that no one has died in GITMO. They have all been given their 'holy' book. Christians working in Saudi are not even allowed to possess a Bible on Saudi soil, while Americans give Saudi and Muslim prisoners a Koran. HELLO!

They are eating excellent dishes from a report I heard from a staffer who had been there for some time. I don't always eat three meals a day, because I work my ass off and don't take time to eat. Maybe they have it better in that regard than to be in an American prison like Alcatraz while it was open, or any other federal prison. Just a guess!

Sure they are interrogated ... we are at war, and they were caught trying to kill American and coalition soldiers in Afghanistan. I do believe the only way to get someone to talk (without physical torture ) is to sleep deprive them and play some mind games to weaken their nature and pull the info out that is needed to save the lives of people in combat. Maybe not nice, but it has to be done. Remember these people are KILLERS, can you relate to people who will do anything to kill you. And yes they will kill you too.

You made a false statement. Show resources for the line you wrote ''i mean, an unknown number of prisoners have DIED while prisoner ! wake up and look at what's going on....''

I think your the one who needs to 'wake up'. The world isn't a nice place. This isn't an Andy Griffith's city of Mayberry kind of world now. Terrorism is real, and these people don't like what the West does or stands for in any regard. They prefer to keep a male dominated slave minded society which they have had for 2000 years. They have been gearing up for a 'holy war' with us since before you and I were born. Learn some facts!

And as far as 'moral superiority' goes. America is losing it moral integrity, like much of the world has done so already. Still America does have a thread of common moral decency, though it is vanishing, and not because of this war.

Most major cities in America are behind the trend of the world. America is a little more Moral, if you want to make that your point. California leads the nation with NY, but even still, things happening in London, Madrid, Paris, Berlin, Praha, Budapest, Rio, and so many other great cities, that haven't even started in America. America is behind in fashion trends for example, and I think it is because of moral integrity. But, all that said, America is changing faster than ever now. If you haven't done so, please go travel the globe some and compare a little, then make your moral superiority comments. I saw fashion trends in Europe 5 years before they came to America, same for the Orient.

Your statements are typical 'left sided' BS. You all just say whatever without having facts, and you don't care who is hurt by the comments you make.

Durbin barely apologized. He believes what he said is true, and he only apologized for hurting some peoples feeling, including the troops overseas. He never stated that HE believed what he said was not true. Maybe he did the best he could to save his butt, tears and all. Different subject now.

Show me some comparison to 'killing fields', and 'torture rooms', and 'gas chambers'. You simply cant find any, because it was not a true statement from you or from Durbin.