drivers license and ID scanners at clubs

**skahound** · June 17, 2005, 11:58:35 AM

Unfortunately, clubs are doing this in order to protect themselves from the letigiousness of our societies. By scanning the ID it almost completely eliminates the human error factor. If you have some beefcake at the door who barely graduated high school reading IDs, chances are they'll make a mistake here or there. And with that mistake comes liability. If the person they let in is underage, they stand to lose their license.

I don't agree with the practice; I completely agree with what Tom and the others have said. Regretfully though, this is where we're headed.

**asdf_admin** · June 17, 2005, 12:08:09 PM

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It?s not about hiding something or not. Personal rights are attacked more and more and it makes me mad. I don't hurt nobody or commit crimes but I do not want to end in an investigation just because my DNS was found in a pub next to where a guy sat who was shot or to get a visit from the Police because my ID was scanned in a club where a crime happened. The question is, how often do you really need to legitimize yourself? I do not have a problem with showing my ID card where the Security is needed (Airport, Frontiers etc.) but not for going to a club. I really doubt that all the scanning leads to more security. Mass Murders, Terrorists and other criminals have most of the time ways to go either under the radar of the system or to bypass it so the main loss of Freedom happens to "normal" people which are a huge majority. I just do not think it?s worth it as the benefits of such laws are way smaller than the costs and I am not talking about money only here.

I understand that Tom. But when you really get into it ... you have no rights. There is alway some clause to pull you over, to look into your handbag, to talk to you, etc. Even Diplomatic Immunity has clauses. The only real freedom you have is the "thought" of freedom itself. and/or it is only illegal when you get caught.

We are more or less sheep to our higher powers. and that is the way they want it. A nation of people without any control freaks out any government. That is the way it is, the way it will be.

**skahound** · June 17, 2005, 12:10:02 PM

Re: drivers license and ID scanners at clubs

Originally posted by asdf_admin

We are more or less sheep to our higher powers. and that is the way they want it. A nation of people without any control freaks out any government. That is the way it is, the way it will be.

Very true. We don't even "own" our own land! We are merely renting it with the taxes we pay. Not to mention the fact that it can be taken from us at any time (see Eminent Domain and Condemnation).

**asdf_admin** · June 17, 2005, 12:15:34 PM

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yep.

"they" wanted to wide up a freeway around these parts. The people almost lost their homes because of it. They were not even going to pay a fraction of the value of the land or home.

Bunch of people got pissed off, and the state had to re-direct efforts. It was a close one. It happens everyday to people in the USA and most of the time they do not even get a dime. Herm. I did a project on this in High School. Talk about fuel for a fire when I was younger. It made me listen to Punk.

**skahound** · June 17, 2005, 12:17:38 PM

Well, eminent domain and condemnation are both supposed to be the 'taking or use of land for a higher public purpose for just compensation'. The most disputed part = "just compensation". Seems that the government doesn't want to make with the dough. Go figure.

**asdf_admin** · June 17, 2005, 12:19:51 PM

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no shit. "go figure"

**13kickdrums** · June 17, 2005, 01:12:53 PM

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do we just lay down and let them fuck us at will because some of us think its inevitable? first off, ITS NOT.

i have no problem whatsoever with police, or any governmental agency swiping my ID. thats what we got them for...but just to make these scanners available to anyone on the internet?

you dont have to swipe your ID going through the airports!!!!! are we to believe that NIGHT CLUBS need these even though an airport checkpoint doesnt?!!! even an airport seccurity guard shouldnt have the right to swipe your ID..til they are wholly a governmetal agency.

come on...dont talk about laying down without a fight

**CLAYTONBIGSBY** · June 17, 2005, 01:34:34 PM

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I have nothing to hide. No problem here.

Nothing better than seeing the look on a stuck up 20 yr old LA hoochy when she gets denied for a fake ID. Scan away.

**13kickdrums** · June 17, 2005, 01:40:52 PM

Re: drivers license and ID scanners at clubs

Originally posted by CLAYTONBIGSBY

I have nothing to hide. No problem here.

Nothing better than seeing the look on a stuck up 20 yr old LA hoochy when she gets denied for a fake ID. Scan away.

actually..this is another reason why this sucks...WHO WANTS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN TURNED AWAY???!!!! where do they hang out if theyre turned away? can i go there??!!

FM · June 17, 2005, 01:59:25 PM

**palmer** · June 17, 2005, 02:49:13 PM

Re: drivers license and ID scanners at clubs

Originally posted by 13kickdrums

do we just lay down and let them fuck us at will because some of us think its inevitable? first off, ITS NOT.

i have no problem whatsoever with police, or any governmental agency swiping my ID. thats what we got them for...but just to make these scanners available to anyone on the internet?

you dont have to swipe your ID going through the airports!!!!! are we to believe that NIGHT CLUBS need these even though an airport checkpoint doesnt?!!! even an airport seccurity guard shouldnt have the right to swipe your ID..til they are wholly a governmetal agency.

come on...dont talk about laying down without a fight

First of all it is inevitable. Maybe not merely swiping an ID card..... but your info will be known and your location will be tracked.

To answer your question. Yes we are going to lie down and take it because what are you going to do about it? You nor I have any power or say in any of this and no matter what you do it will happen. So "fight" all you want its pointless.

**Watcher2k** · June 17, 2005, 02:56:21 PM

Just think.. In ten years all newborns will just have a ID chip implanted in them! No need to loose your license now!

**FASSTEDDIE** · June 17, 2005, 03:10:08 PM

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Well here in Fla, i had a frd with me and we were at 711 and he was buying some beer they asked him for his id and swiped it like it was a creidt card !Next thing the guy tell him that the doors havr be lock as he had a warrent out for him and the police was on the way so i get locked in this store for about 20 mins and he went to jail. they know all about you with one swipe of you id. Be in mexico for the last 8 days. ! Thank God to be back in the USA i was in Cancun The place Sucked Will Never go there again

**skahound** · June 17, 2005, 03:16:38 PM

^ WTF? 7-11 employees are now bounty hunters?

**Nigel Harkness** · June 17, 2005, 03:29:34 PM

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Originally posted by FASSTEDDIE

Well here in Fla, i had a frd with me and we were at 711 and he was buying some beer they asked him for his id and swiped it like it was a creidt card !Next thing the guy tell him that the doors havr be lock as he had a warrent out for him and the police was on the way so i get locked in this store for about 20 mins and he went to jail. they know all about you with one swipe of you id. Be in mexico for the last 8 days. ! Thank God to be back in the USA i was in Cancun The place Sucked Will Never go there again

That is crazy.

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