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  • robprunzit
    Are you Kidding me??
    • Jun 2004
    • 4805

    Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

    If the young, and old, women and children, stood up and said, THATS ENOUGH, I WANT TO LIVE - FREE! Should the rest of the world step in and help them attain what they want, freedom from intolerant imams who govern the country of Iran?

    Below just a couple paragraphs to read and think about. We really don't know what it is like to be without equal rights. :cry:

    The article is not that long, I have quoted key points for you to quickview, or go the site and read it all.



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    Dawn of an Islamic Revolution
    By Reza Aslan, AlterNet. Posted April 28, 2005.

    Half way down the article and as quoted on the site:

    ''On the day Khomeini returned to Iran, I took my four-year old sister by the hand and, despite my mother?s warning not to venture outdoors, led her out of our apartment in downtown Tehran to join the celebrations in the streets. It had been days since we had gone outside. The days preceding the Shah?s exile and the Ayatollah?s return had been violent ones. The schools were closed, most television and radio stations shut down, and our quiet, suburban neighborhood deserted. So when we looked out of our window on that February morning and saw the euphoria in the streets, no warning could have kept us inside.

    Filling a plastic pitcher with Tang and stealing two packages of Dixie Cups from our mother?s cupboard, my sister and I snuck out to join the revelry. One by one we filled the cups and passed them out to the crowd. Strangers stopped to lift us up and kiss our cheeks. Handfuls of sweets were thrown from open windows. There was music and dancing everywhere. I wasn?t really sure what we were celebrating, but I didn?t care. I was swept up in the moment and enthralled by the strange words on everyone?s lips -- words I had heard before but which were still mystifying and unexplained: Freedom! Liberty! Democracy! ''

    And at the end of the article:

    ''For most of the Western world, Sept. 11, 2001, signaled the commencement of a worldwide struggle between Islam and the West -- the ultimate manifestation of the clash of civilizations. From the Islamic perspective, however, the attacks on New York and Washington were part of an ongoing clash between those Muslims who strive to reconcile their religious values with the realities of the modern world, and those who react to modernism and reform by reverting -- sometimes fanatically -- to the "fundamentals" of their faith.

    This is a cataclysmic internal struggle taking place not in the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula, where the Islamic message was first introduced to the world, but in the developing capitals of the Muslim world -- Tehran, Cairo, Damascus, and Jakarta -- and in the cosmopolitan capitals of Europe and the United States -- New York, London, Paris, and Berlin -- where that message is being redefined by scores of first and second generation Muslim immigrants.

    By merging the Islamic values of their ancestors with the democratic ideals of their new homes, these Muslims have formed what Tariq Ramadan, the Swiss-born Muslim intellectual and grandson of Hasan al-Banna, terms a "mobilizing force" for a Muslim reformation that, after centuries of stony sleep, has finally awoken and is now slouching toward Medina to be born. ''

    Reza Aslan has studied religions at Santa Clara University, Harvard University, and the University of California, Santa Barbara. He holds an MFA in fiction from the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa, where he was also visiting assistant professor of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies. His work has appeared in The Nation, Slate, and The New York Times, and he has been profiled in USA Today, U.S. News & World Report, and The Chronicle of Higher Education. Born in Iran, he lives in Santa Barbara and New Orleans.

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    Well, would you stand up for those who ... live in fear everyday of making a mistake; breaking a religious rule; accidentally saying the wrong thing; being in the wrong place at the wrong time; desire to change religions; marry someone your family doesnt approve of; just want to travel; or leave the country?!?

    Should someone help them?
    AT THE FORK, TAKE THE RIGHT DIRECTION

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  • Morgan
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 2234

    #2
    No.

    If Iran is to become a demoracy then the Iranians must do it themselves.
    "Pain is only weakness leaving the body."

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    • beto
      Gold Gabber
      • Jun 2004
      • 964

      #3
      Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

      ^ exactly.


      Why would you want to get in Iran? you think you've done a good job in Iraq?

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      • james
        Gold Gabber
        • Jun 2005
        • 634

        #4
        Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

        Originally posted by beto
        ^ exactly.


        Why would you want to get in Iran?
        He want to get in Iran to make a war in the name of freedom, but the really objetive is dominate Iran.
        The possesion of anything begins in the mind (Bruce Lee)

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        • thesightless
          Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
          • Jun 2004
          • 13567

          #5
          Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

          this world needs a fucking alien invasion that kills a few hundred thousand people to make us realize that it is just on eplanet and we all are here to share it and get the fucking species off on the right track just as a whole. democrats dont want to actually do the dirty and help, and the republicans feel its thier right to help whomever they deem needs it, even if they dont. some time in my life i want to see everyone just get together. and then line up and shoot mike moore and bill o'reilly.
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          • Yao
            DUDERZ get a life!!!
            • Jun 2004
            • 8167

            #6
            Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

            Originally posted by thesightless
            this world needs a fucking alien invasion that kills a few hundred thousand people to make us realize that it is just on eplanet and we all are here to share it and get the fucking species off on the right track just as a whole. democrats dont want to actually do the dirty and help, and the republicans feel its thier right to help whomever they deem needs it, even if they dont. some time in my life i want to see everyone just get together. and then line up and shoot mike moore and bill o'reilly.
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            • robprunzit
              Are you Kidding me??
              • Jun 2004
              • 4805

              #7
              Originally posted by Morgan
              No.

              If Iran is to become a demoracy then the Iranians must do it themselves.
              Funny how forgetful we are of history.

              In the end of the Revolutionary War between America (for its freedom from Britian), France came to the aide of America. America may have fallen if it had not been for some allied help at the last minute.

              I agree with what alot of you all feel, and I also feel the frustration, and I agree with 'thesightless', ''some time in my life i want to see everyone just get together''. I think part of coming together is helping the helpless when they need a helping hand.

              In the 1700's when America was being formed, it was made of people who were leaving their own homeland for many reasons. They found land and made a country. Why did the King of England fight so hard to stop the birth of freedom in another land? Not all the people were from England alone.

              You know, sometimes really bad people get into control of countries, and never let go of it. Iran is voting right now. At least women are included. Lets hope it is fair and legal. We will see what happens.

              Again, 'thesightless' is correct in his hope for ''togetherness'', but in my opinion, it happens when people join together and help each other. The Amish in Penn. build a barn in a couple days because they all pitch in and work together to accomplish the task.

              I think we have to approach our vision of the future of this world with this in mind. Helping the helpless has always been the only way to accomplish great task. It is unlikely Iranians can overcome the religious leaders, even with a vote. So they may pour into the streets and demostrate. That worked in Serbia a few years ago. But it did not work in China where the govt tanks just rolled over the protestors, literally.

              I think we are a bunch of selfish, and foolish people, only thinking about our simple little lives, not really giving a damn what happens in places we have never seen, just because it doesn't affect our lives directly.

              Lets hope Islam doesn't take control of Europe. Because of the family birthrate, in 20 years Muslim families WILL dominate the majority as a religion base in Europe. Some of you WILL live to experience what happens next ... in the West. To a lesser degree for now, but moving in the same direction, America could come later to have Islam a dominating religion.

              Just a little thought!
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              • thesightless
                Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                • Jun 2004
                • 13567

                #8
                Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                i have decided to move to a private island and never watch the news or read a newspaper ever gain. gonna try to cut myself off from the outside world.


                its just a shame, because everyone cries about things like this saying, " someone needs to do something about this guy or that guy" but as soon as someone actually does something about it, those same people cry about the actions that needed to be done (read iraq and saddam). if we go into iran and get a government that "we" deem to be good, mark my words, everyone that cries about how Iran runs itself will be the same cats protesting outside the next republican convention.......

                no one uses thier fucking heads anymore.
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                • runningman
                  Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5995

                  #9
                  Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                  I told you guys a long time ago that Iran was next as well as North Korea..

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                  • thesightless
                    Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13567

                    #10
                    Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                    while i do belive Iran is next, i dont think it will done through military action. i think that the euro northamerican areas will put a ton of political and economic restraints on the country. the pressure will come from money and politics, not bullets.

                    as far as N. Korea, i think it will escape unharmed, as they keep returning to the table after whining about the USA. they hate us, but they demand that we are the main negotiator. Plus, the country itself is starving. economically it is dying. they are being pricks, but they really havent stepped into the grounds of what saddam did. so i think they will last for awhile. too many governemts are are getting involved with them because they say they have the nukes ready and thier gov't is very unstable.
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                    • robprunzit
                      Are you Kidding me??
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 4805

                      #11
                      Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                      Iran could be next, but I'm hoping it is activated by the students and brave folk who stand up in numbers, and all the outside has to do is come in and help manage some while everything falls into place, and to help keep order. It is very noticeable that anywhere in the world without an authority figure in place and all order will cease and chaos will follow. So I hope if it does happen, the world is ready to quickly jump in and help them as needed.

                      I think Iraq will become alot easier after Iranians have become free.

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                      As for N. Korea:
                      North Korea main threat is to Japan. They hate Japan, and I believe since we are closely tied to Japan that is where America would become involved. Then as China is closely tied to North Korea, the chinese govt will stand up to protect their brother communist Korea. Then all military hell is going to break out, and all because of one f@*k'n crazy man in Korea.

                      Why do crazy people get control of countries? That is why a free economic country is much more stable, and better for the people inside as well as those outside the border.
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                      • PROG
                        Gold Gabber
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 624

                        #12
                        Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                        Why do crazy people get control of countries? That is why a free economic country is much more stable, and better for the people inside as well as those outside the border.

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                        lmfao!

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                        • tsesan
                          Getting Somewhere
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 139

                          #13
                          Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                          Originally posted by robprunzit
                          Lets hope Islam doesn't take control of Europe. Because of the family birthrate, in 20 years Muslim families WILL dominate the majority as a religion base in Europe. Some of you WILL live to experience what happens next ... in the West. To a lesser degree for now, but moving in the same direction, America could come later to have Islam a dominating religion.
                          Religion in itself is not a bad thing. I myself is an atheist. But if religion gives people hope, I have no problem with that. The problem is not religion, but the abuse of religion. You end up with fanatics who gain support by using religion as a means to their ends. People need to understand that religion is a complement to life, and not life itself.

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                          • Yao
                            DUDERZ get a life!!!
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 8167

                            #14
                            Re: Support a Revolution in Iran for Freedom?

                            lmfao...

                            -1 for reviving a year-old thread.

                            That being said:

                            First of all, that debate is ongoing in my country as well. One politician has gone so far as to propose the removal of article 1 (No discrimination) in our constitution and replace it by one that gives preferential status to the 'native' religion, Christianity. The man is clearly shitting bricks and is an effin' racist in addition: he wants to get the same situation here as we have in Iran now, just the opposite, while condemning Muslims for it all the time. As if this hipocrisy isn't enough, I'd say that it is rather ridiculous to do so in a country where as far as I know half of the population is non-religious.

                            It is also sympromatic of the way some people deal with the current events: they don't look at what's behind them, but just simplify the whole matter extremely and therefore come up with totally inadequate solutions...what am I saying, they aren't even solutions but downright idiotic rhetorics.
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