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  • lmmadic
    Gold Gabber
    • Jun 2004
    • 746

    France gets nuclear fusion plant

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    good news this thing is finally happening.
    even better news it's happening in europe
    France will get to host the project to build a 10bn-euro (?6.6bn) nuclear fusion reactor, in the face of strong competition from Japan.

    The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (Iter) will be the most expensive joint scientific project after the International Space Station.

    The Iter programme was held up for over 18 months as parties tried to broker a deal between the two rivals.

    Nuclear fusion taps energy from reactions like those that heat the Sun.

    Nuclear fusion is seen as a cleaner approach to power production than nuclear fission and fossil fuels.


    Rapid construction of Iter will be a major step in the development of fusion as a potential large-scale source of electricity that will not contribute to climate change
    Prof Sir Chris Llewellyn Smith, UKAEA

    Officials from a six-party consortium signed the deal in Moscow on Tuesday, for the reactor's location at the Cadarache site in southern France.

    French President Jacques Chirac thanked member countries of the European Union, as well as Russia and China, who crucially lent their support to the French bid: "It is a big success for France, for Europe and for all the partners of Iter," he said in a statement.

    The European Union, the United States, Russia, Japan, South Korea and China are partners in the project.

    Japan earlier withdrew its bid, after a deal was worked out for the "runner-up" to receive a generous concessions package.

    Rich reward

    According to the package, Japan will get 20% of the project's 200 research posts while providing only 10% of the expenses, and host a related materials research facility - of which half the construction costs will be shouldered by the EU.

    "We believe that the Iter project should start as soon as possible for the sake of mankind's future," said Nariaki Nakayama, Japan's science minister.

    Janez Potocnik, EU commissioner for science and research, said that now a consensus had been reached, "we will make all efforts to finalise the agreement on the project, so that construction can begin as soon as possible".


    Efforts to build "a star on Earth" have been technically very challenging

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    Professor Sir Chris Llewellyn Smith, director of UK Atomic Energy Authority's (UKAEA) Culham division, which is responsible for the UK's thermonuclear fusion programme, said the decision was "wonderful news".

    "Rapid construction of Iter will be a major step in the development of fusion as a potential large-scale source of electricity that will not contribute to climate change," he added.

    And the UK's science minister, Lord Sainsbury, said: "I am delighted that the six international parties collaborating in the Iter fusion project are now agreed on a way forward and that Iter is to be located in France.

    "Making fusion a viable energy source for mankind is an enormous scientific and technological challenge. The Iter project is an important step in making energy from fusion a reality," he told the BBC News website.

    Earthbound star

    The Cadarache site lies about 60km (37 miles) inland from Marseille, and has been a nuclear research centre ever since president Charles de Gaulle launched France's atomic energy programme in 1959.


    ITER - NUCLEAR FUSION PROJECT
    Project estimated to cost 10bn euros and will run for 35 years
    It will produce the first sustained fusion reactions
    Final stage before full prototype of commercial reactor is built
    Local politicians were delighted by the announcement, because it will guarantee thousands of jobs over the coming years.

    However, some environmental groups are doubtful about the viability of nuclear fusion, and have warned that Cadarache lies on a known earthquake faultline. The management at Cadarache insists there is no risk to existing or future installations.

    In terms of the physics and huge amounts of energy involved, the Iter project would be akin to building a star on Earth.

    It would be the first fusion device to produce thermal energy at the level of conventional electricity-producing power stations, and would pave the way for the first prototype commercial power station.

    In a fusion reaction, energy is produced when light atoms - the hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium - are fused together to form heavier atoms.

    To use controlled fusion reactions on Earth as an energy source, it is necessary to heat a gas to temperatures exceeding 100 million Celsius - many times hotter than the centre of the Sun.

    The technical requirements to do this, which scientists have spent decades developing, are immense. But the rewards, if Iter can be made to work successfully, are extremely attractive.

    One kilogram of fusion fuel would produce the same amount of energy as 10,000,000 kg of fossil fuel.

    Fusion does produce radioactive waste but not the volumes of long-term high-level radiotoxic materials that have so burdened nuclear fission.

    Some green groups criticised Tuesday's announcement as a waste of money. They are doubtful whether Iter will ever deliver practical technologies.

    "With 10 billion [euros], we could build 10,000MW offshore windfarms, delivering electricity for 7.5 million European households," said Jan Vande Putte of Greenpeace International.

    "Governments should not waste our money on a dangerous toy which will never deliver any useful energy. Instead, they should invest in renewable energy which is abundantly available, not in 2080 but today."
    the biggest problem is the enormious heat, no subtance on earth can contain it so the reaction has to be held in a electric field.
    as fuel the could use sea water so no problems with running out of fuel any time soon
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  • day_for_night
    Are you Kidding me??
    • Jun 2004
    • 4127

    #2
    Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

    i seriously hope for all mankind they can pull this off...no one has been able to do this as of yet on a large scale. magnetic and electric fields will need to be created with HUGE power to contain the million degree temperatures created...all from the two smallest atoms.

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    • Pataky P
      asdf_imo
      • Jun 2004
      • 1966

      #3
      Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

      Many thanks to the link,and the info!
      I think this is very intresting...

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      • serbumax85
        Getting Somewhere
        • May 2005
        • 137

        #4
        Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

        i hope they can pull this off, because if they can't were gonna burn
        max

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        • darkabeatz
          Addiction started
          • Apr 2005
          • 262

          #5
          Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

          "the biggest problem is the enormious heat, no subtance on earth can contain it so the reaction has to be held in a electric field. " Holy heatwave batman!!!

          Thats some crazy shit. Glad I live across the channel as I'd hate to be around when they make a little er MISTAKE

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          • day_for_night
            Are you Kidding me??
            • Jun 2004
            • 4127

            #6
            Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

            Originally posted by darkabeatz
            Thats some crazy shit. Glad I live across the channel as I'd hate to be around when they make a little er MISTAKE
            actually, fusion is much safe than fission, since no heavy nuclear-active particles are used (ie. uranium/plutonium). if they screwed up, the plant would likely just melt, but there wouldnt be the same devastation like chernobyl caused.

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            • Kobe
              I wish I had an interesting User title
              • Jun 2004
              • 2589

              #7
              Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

              why build it on a earthquake fault line, does that make it more exciting for them?
              Beats are my crack.

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              • thesightless
                Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                • Jun 2004
                • 13567

                #8
                Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                just out of safety, these things should be built out at sea on oil platforms.
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                • Jenks
                  I'm kind of a big deal.
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 10250

                  #9
                  Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                  Originally posted by thesightless
                  just out of safety, these things should be built out at sea on oil platforms.
                  nah, it's france, let em build it right in the middle of their country. if they pull it off, awesome for mankind, we'll all benefit. if it melts, it's france, no big loss. :P :P :P

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                  • thesightless
                    Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13567

                    #10
                    Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                    but then they would hate everyone who went there to help.

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                    • picklemonkey
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                      • Jun 2004
                      • 15373

                      #11
                      Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                      Originally posted by Jenks
                      Originally posted by thesightless
                      just out of safety, these things should be built out at sea on oil platforms.
                      nah, it's france, let em build it right in the middle of their country. if they pull it off, awesome for mankind, we'll all benefit. if it melts, it's france, no big loss. :P :P :P

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                      • MJDub
                        Are you Kidding me??
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 2765

                        #12
                        Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                        Originally posted by Jenks
                        nah, it's france, let em build it right in the middle of their country. if they pull it off, awesome for mankind, we'll all benefit. if it melts, it's france, no big loss. :P :P :P

                        Exactly.
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                        • lmmadic
                          Gold Gabber
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 746

                          #13
                          Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                          Originally posted by day_for_night
                          Originally posted by darkabeatz
                          Thats some crazy shit. Glad I live across the channel as I'd hate to be around when they make a little er MISTAKE
                          actually, fusion is much safe than fission, since no heavy nuclear-active particles are used (ie. uranium/plutonium). if they screwed up, the plant would likely just melt, but there wouldnt be the same devastation like chernobyl caused.
                          yeah, that's about right, fission like being used now if it go's wrong it go's really wrong.
                          fusion is really save no need for big bunkers and all that stuff.
                          no need to worry about a nuclear meltdown. this thing is the future.
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                          • remoh
                            Platinum Poster
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 2466

                            #14
                            nuclear fusion plant?? ...what happened their french fry machine broke?
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                            • darkabeatz
                              Addiction started
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 262

                              #15
                              Re: France gets nuclear fusion plant

                              They liken this to "making a star on earth" <-- now if they pull that off, thats freakin cool!

                              Sunfactor 1billion anyone?

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