Afghanistan

[KinKyJ]

Re: Afghanistan

Well, I remember being booed as a mindless piece of euro trash and US basher for critisizing the invasion of Iraq and Bush's post 9/11 policy... I should be wearing a shirt that says TOLD YA SO, but that's 1. too lame and 2. not constructive anyway.

Looking at the ol' scorecard, I can't help feeling that the time since 9/11 has been wasted.
1. Bin Laden is still loose
2. A rogue state has nukes
3. Iraq is a fucking mess
4. The Taliban, whom we ostensibly removed, is back

Add the following to the scoreboard:
5. Thousands of US soldiers killed in vain and even more civilians
6. Useless military actions creating a gigantic deficit on the US budget
7. The UN deprived of any influence
8. The US is the laughing stock of the world and has lost every shred of political and military credibility
9. Sky high oil prices
10. Fundamentalist terrorism stronger than ever
11. Violations of human rights by the US on a massive scale (Gitmo, ...)
12. A president who says torturing suspects is acceptable and has no problem fucking over any convention out there

I agree with Malayday: Bush has done an extremely poor job being the leader of the "Free World." And imo an even worse job being the leader of the US.

[scag clown]

Re: Afghanistan

I pretty much took it at face value, in part because I didn't think there was any reason to think that Bush would make such a representation unless it were true.


why because everything else he said was?

[KinKyJ]

Re: Afghanistan

I pretty much took it at face value, in part because I didn't think there was any reason to think that Bush would make such a representation unless it were true.


why because everything else he said was?

because he doesn't eat dolphins?

[toasty]

Re: Afghanistan

5. Thousands of US soldiers killed in vain and even more civilians

I was watching CNN this morning, and the most recent estimate for Iraqi civilian casualties since the invasion is a staggering 655,000. That is not a typo -- well over half a million people.

That is truly, truly tragic.

[KinKyJ]

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I was watching CNN this morning, and the most recent estimate for Iraqi civilian casualties since the invasion is a staggering 655,000. That is not a typo -- well over half a million people.

That is truly, truly tragic.

I'd even go further and call it a crime against humanity since the war started on false pretences and has no point whatsoever.

[Bululu]

Re: Afghanistan

^^^^ Oh kinky don't say that , they dont deserve to live thoes Camel riders in that Camel country , all what they do is EVIL over there.

[Lorn]

Re: Afghanistan

Crime against humanity. I would say all war is just that.

[Kobe]

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We definitely have taken out eye of the ball in Afghanistan. Spead too thin in Iraq to keep things under control there.

[thesightless]

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how in the world can these militants kill half a million of their own people. is maintaining the grip over people really worth it? shit, their love with the power to simply kill is sickening. and dont say its the coalition troops, it isnt. maybe, on the high end, i can see 100K killed by troops. the rest.... well, we need to ask al sadr, and his homeboys about that.

[Bululu]

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^^^^ Your government opened this evil door anyway , and don't tell me its not them who killed the majority , Fallujah , Baquubah and and. Do these names ring a bell for you the sightless.

[KinKyJ]

Re: Afghanistan

^^^what he said

[malayday]

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that cant be a thought out statement...mr sight...dont tell me it is..please.

[thesightless]

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wait, you people actually think colalition troops have killed that many? dont ever call us brainwashed. its no where near that number. yeah, its our fault, but we aint pulling the triggers on the bombs. fuck em, waste.of.time. pull out say fuck you, enjoy the dark ages at this point.

[malayday]

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noman i wasnt saying that...i was just dissapointed that you consistantly spin everything for yourself..and approach it at such a twisted angle...its twisted for me maybe the opposite for you..i realise that but still...
sure the number may be off the mark..even if it is less...does it matter...the point is the destruction of lives... i refuse to elaborate...
i think this boils down to you not thinking humans are worth life...

[thesightless]

Re: Afghanistan

not there, not anymore, i wanted to beleive it for so long, then i see hamas get elected, i see the taleban fighting for power, i see iraq every fucking day, and then i think about my brother up in west point mlitary academy. so no, not right now. someone can convince me, cuz i used to beleive we had to stay after we fucked it up, but no one in that region is voicing for peace and calm. they are all fighting for power.

i didnt spin anything, i just said that number is way high, go read about how the study only went to 1800 houses i think, and then they extrapolated the numbers. did anyone ask if they went to hosues in baghdad? or did they go to the outskirts where there is a lot more peace and calm? b/c the violence is condensed to two geographical areas within the sunni triangle.

and bululu, your opinion, to me at least, is bunk, after reading your backing of hezzballah and whatnot. and before you critique the US/UK/australia and the other countries with troops there, ask your local governmental representative why your country is known as the place to go if you need to run from the law. criminal? come on over! we protect you. take care of your own backyard.