Afghanistan

[malayday]

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i sypathize....i cant feel what it is to be in your position..im sure it must be frusterating not to see what it is you want to....

but how can there be any peace and calm with america there?....foriegn white troops rather because those people cant tell the difference...get off their land get off thier property stop using thier resources stop trying to gain geo political control and impose and dominate stop backing israel and its continous demolition of human life and its disregard for what is considered precious for these people...then perhaps there will be some talk of peace and calm....

there hasnt been one step in that direction...not one policy amended nothing...
so i think its unreasonable to say their not doing their bit....the didnt have that bit to do anyway if werent for the american doo doo

[thesightless]

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i hear what ya mena on the iraq control, but again, they voted.

NO WAY to leaving isreal. never, they are a cat sitting between a group of pit bulls. they were forced off thier lands, and got em back, they arent muslim lands, they are judeo-christo lands and those lands had peace until the expansion. they have every right to be there. if you say no, then the iraqis have no right to iraq if we want it, cuz that is all that happened to the region NW of saudi. and isreal has EVERY right to do what they do. they arrest those who seek harm on their citizens while enduring non stop attacks from sick fucks. and everyone wants to blame the US for isreal, DONT, go back and read the history books, it was the UK who impleented the borders post ww2.

[malayday]

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wow...i get all of about half an hour of international news eveyday here..and in the past two days if heard and seen a report on an israeli missle strike on 'suspected' militant leaders...both of which hae been un hurt in the attacks...who died then?....well yesterday 6 people including a teenage boy...all 6 were of the same family....same family...same...same family..blown to bits...and injured bystandars...it happened at night...
today...3 i think died..any militants...nope...hes alive and kickin...and you know what hes gonna do...hes gonna go and tell his 'brethren' that he survived for a reason and that they killed his faily on purpose..which i have a hard time seeing past...and it will only help his cause and soon...the inevitable...

this is just two days...two days i happened to catch the news...whichi i sometimes cannot do....israle im terribly terribly terribly sorry.....just is not what you say it is doing...protecting itself or whatver....fuk that dood...fuk that...

america does not need to ''leave'' israle to be 'devowered' by its bloodthirsty neighbors...nobody is sayiing that but there needs to be a change...and i highly dout that in todays age israle would be pushed 'ínto the sea' or whatever paranoid secong holocoaust theory is out there...and there has been no change what so ever...just an avid show of willingness to kill and have complete disregard for any human life and form of decency...just a show of might and power and aggression

[thesightless]

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well, go ask someone whose son or daughter was killed by a suicide bomber from gaza. then go look at a hamas rally where thousands of people show they are clearly ready to wipe isreal away. then look at amenidijad (spelling i know), then look at hezzbollah. lets think what caused the recent lebanese conflict.....

[malayday]

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no way man...i already talked about why those peole were there at the rally....you cant make sweeping statements like that these are different incidents caused by different things...
yes look at the suicide bombers...what can they do?...do they have precision guided missiles..do they have gps systems....do have freakin walkie talkies...do they have gernades even....or how about a n m16....or apltly an uzi?...no they dont...they have cheap arse ak 47s which are far and few to come by....they have shit all...so what do they do...
they get pushed to the brink to where their life isnt worth being lived...its actuallt better to just die..and if its for a cause well then great..lets fukin do it...die heroes right?...fighter for the cause...fighters for the ressistance..

how you can distinguish between that kind of terrorism and unknown unwarned surprise missiles flying past houses and blowing some random one up for ''suspected'' reasons...they have precision boms the highest tech shit night vision and thermal and god knows what not..and still kids and innocents are dying everyday...EVERYDAY...all the time...what are these suicide bombers....compared to this extreme inhumane opression...
they cant even see thier own family members if the israely military does not allow them...thier movement is controlled and restricted they are constantly monitored...its sick...
oh and please dont say this is what they have to do to protect themselves cuz thats a crocko shit...

[thesightless]

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so you would rather isreal just send in thier own suicide bombers?!?!

and for all these ''surprise missles'', are you aware that isreal sends helicopters to do flyovers the targets and drop pamplets telling people''if you are not hamas, leave now'' (wording is actual, but the idea is the same). they warn them, yet the people stay. ask davetlv, he lives there, he'll back it up.

[rubyraks]

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Similar to the past war in Lebanon, there is a double standard being applied here. At least the Israelis when shooting their missiles are aiming at military targets, as opposed to the random, civilian aimed missiles and suicide bombers of hamas and hezbollah. Just because one group has bigger and better missiles doesn't automatically put the militarily inferior people in the right, you actually need to look at intent, which is exactly what you're side-stepping when you make your claims.

And to further this debate, what is Israel to do when hamas and hezbolleh are using civilians as shields or storing their weapons in schools, civilian homes, etc.? Are the civilians not just as guilty for allowing that?

[thesightless]

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here, from the other thread ill give everyone who hates me some fuel.

i really and im serious here, think that the countries within the UN that consider hamas a terror org, should simply stop funding palestine. my thoughts coming to this conclusion, are
A. why in the world do we have to help a group of people who openly elected a militant group to office
B. we owe them nothing after that.
C. we shouldnt fund our enemies, even if they are elected.
D. hamas, to this day, still refuses peace and acknowledgement of isreal, and continues to sponsor the idealology of murder in name of..
E. they bring everything on themselves, act hostile, and demand we help them kill others and operate.

so , in essence, i really think that we need to stop giving our money to those devoted to harming others, in particular our interests. they are already feeling the backlash of not having money as we can see in the news. so, if they dont want to work with us, we sohuldnt work with them

look at the history books, the jews and christians were happily living together until the muslim warlords killed them and forced them out from roughly 700 AD to 1100 AD. they deserve every right to fight for those lands again. they lost them to violence, they can and should fight back for thier historical claims to the lands that all 3 major religions stem from

[Bululu]

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^^^^ Man reading what you are writting , you make the Isreali Army look like the nicest and coolest army in the World (I love how you give a statement and then you ask us to ask davetlv if it was true or not), you will never change mr. sightless , too bad.

[malayday]

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he lives in tel aviv..not gaza.....
why would i rather israel send its 'suicide bombers''..im saying they dont have to...they have fukin super missiles man...compared to the amazing arsenal of what was the group that was in the forefront of perpretating the attacks in israle a few years back...

what israle is doing is worse beacuse it is daily it is al,most everyday....they did a study...1 in 3 kids in palestine...1 in 3 have seen thier own father being physically arrested or subdued by israly forces...thats has a profound impact on a childs psyche and its impact should not be underestimated......
im in no way defending the attacks.....
but i do believe that if anybody is pushed to take thier own life they are desperate and if there are a fixed and predictable number of people that do it in your own society..that means that its because of your society...because of people

so if this desperation leads them to express their fear and frusteration to the extent that they choose to do such a drastic and damaging thing, has serious implications.....such impilications go beyond reasons of brainwashing and/or religion

[thesightless]

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bulululike i said, your opinion with essentially everyone around here who can apply facts is bunk.

[thesightless]

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maladay, what do you think isreal should do in regards to preventing more killings, kidnapping sna bombings. ill let ya answer.

[malayday]

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there need to be dialogue...they say they will not speak becaause they are terrosrists....
if you want to change the way somebody behaves you talk talk to them...

[rubyraks]

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what israle is doing is worse beacuse it is daily it is al,most everyday....they did a study...1 in 3 kids in palestine...1 in 3 have seen thier own father being physically arrested or subdued by israly forces...thats has a profound impact on a childs psyche and its impact should not be underestimated......
im in no way defending the attacks.....
but i do believe that if anybody is pushed to take thier own life they are desperate and if there are a fixed and predictable number of people that do it in your own society..that means that its because of your society...because of people

so if this desperation leads them to express their fear and frusteration to the extent that they choose to do such a drastic and damaging thing, has serious implications.....such impilications go beyond reasons of brainwashing and/or religion

Let me ask you:

1. What percentage of the Palestinian people believe Israel should be destroyed? What percentage of the Arabs as a whole feel this way?

2. Does the fact that pretty much every Israeli has lost a relative to suicide bombers make a difference in your analysis?

3. How would you react to suicide bombers in your country? And to take it to its most despicable extreme, how would you feel and react to a suicide bomber feeling justified in blowing themselves up on a school bus full of children?

and for the record, I'm far from defending everything the Israeli army does, some of it does disgust me, but to try and equate arrests and military targeting to walking into a pedestrian mall with a bomb on your body is hypocritical. At the very least, one should recognize that both sides are wrong and most of the problems they have in that country is because of the extreme measures taken by both sides. Trying to defend one side while denouncing the other will only keep this conflict going longer and longer. It's about time both sides came clean and learned to move on.

[thesightless]

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but we tried, for years, and while they were talking. they kept bombing. and still today, they openly refuse to talk for peace. so, if tomorrow, i put you in charge is isreal, what is your plan to a. keep you citizens safe, and B. attempt to talk to hamas for peace when hamas wont even recognize your right to exist. again, ill let have a go.