Britain leaves EU

[el presidente Highsteppa]

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To me, it really seemed like a lot of the populace of the UK were getting fed up with referendums and elections, and wanted a simple solution to a problem that was pretty complex with no easy explanations and prone to a lot of misinformation, exaggeration and hyperbole from each side. I think it doesn't help that there's a rising anti-intellectual movement that feels like they know more than the experts, based upon either their narcissistic idea that how they feel is more valuable than actually being informed of the consequences of their actions.

I am pretty amused how the guys that were responsible for pushing the leave vote are backpeddling furiously on the platform promises that they knew they couldn't deliver on.

This was a really stupid, self inflicted wound the older citizens inflicted on themselves and the younger generation. Evidence is probably best shown with how the UK just lost their triple A credit rating today.

[thebanned1]

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that's the company virgin lost a 3rd of it's value been reported, bet branson is furious

[Jenks]

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Interesting commentary from a few days ago on the political positioning going on:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

[Jenks]

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another good piece:

Log In - The New York Times

[Jenks]

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it's all very...

[AchtungBaby!]

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that's the company virgin lost a 3rd of it's value been reported, bet branson is furious

That´s really a bad thing.. Again, eventually someone will pay for this new reality and you can bet Branson won't be one of them. In the end, rich people always win.

[thebanned1]

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That´s really a bad thing.. Again, eventually someone will pay for this new reality and you can bet Branson won't be one of them. In the end, rich people always win.

doesn't matter if he's rich or not, that is irrelevant here, what really matters is he's a job creator right across the country and has just been forced to cancel a plan to create 3000 jobs due to brexit

[thebanned1]

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Richard Branson Reveals Virgin Has Lost A THIRD Of Its Value Since Brexit

[AchtungBaby!]

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doesn't matter if he's rich or not, that is irrelevant here, what really matters is he's a job creator right across the country and has just been forced to cancel a plan to create 3000 jobs due to brexit

I think it's pretty relevant since rich people like him wont lose.. Before losing, he will not create jobs as you say... He will do that and everything he can (and powerful people like him can do a lot) to preserve his company - fortune or whatever you want to call it, and sooner or later he will achieve his objectives.


Needless to say who are now and will be the most affected.. just for start, 3000 people are already "paying" brexit .. Branson is already controlling brexit damage.

[thebanned1]

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I think it's pretty relevant since rich people like him wont lose.. Before losing, he will not create jobs as you say... He will do that and everything he can (and powerful people like him can do a lot) to preserve his company - fortune or whatever you want to call it, and sooner or later he will achieve his objectives.

that's a scary thought, i,m with virgin for my broadband, don't want to see a price increase..

i think a lot of people like him ( business types ) have a lot to loose, i saw one guy ( can't remember who he is ) loose 900 M from his fortune straight after the vote

Needless to say who are now and will be the most affected.. just for start, 3000 people are already "paying" brexit .. Branson is already controlling brexit damage.

the thing is, the more guys like this are hit hard by this then the likely hood is that people will loose their jobs which also hits the amount of tax paid into the system, no one has really planned for an exit

[thebanned1]

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[floridaorange]

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^"pornhub" and all porn is so stupid, why this video was uploaded and then advertised on social media is the height of stupidity.

Thanks Jenks for the post

[thebanned1]

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because you must admit, although there is a serious side to it it's also funny

[thebanned1]

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another good piece:

Log In - The New York Times

great article especially due to the fact that britain has now given a strong voice to people like these

great article indeed, not

[floridaorange]

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That kid yelling at the man twice his size reminds me of someone on MS.