FAO Muslims

[hypoluxxa]

I know that Christians would/should be pissed if we started killing innocent people with Christianity as justification.

What do you think Bush is doing?

Morality of western society is built upon the theological virtues of Christianity. Bush is a crusader. He is on a global mission.

Wow Hos, I never looked at it that way. I know he's not liked in the UK, and he's not too popular in California either. I'm glad you weren't hurt in the bombings.

[runningman]

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you see -e- this was an intelligent conversation and no blood was shed.. give your clients more credit..

[MJDub]

I know that Christians would/should be pissed if we started killing innocent people with Christianity as justification.

What do you think Bush is doing?

Morality of western society is built upon the theological virtues of Christianity. Bush is a crusader. He is on a global mission.

I know, but everybody hates Bush (even the majority here in the states).

[supaz]

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I'm not into a 70's Bush...

chics need to bust out the flow-bee and trip that shite!

[sakio pod]

I know that Christians would/should be pissed if we started killing innocent people with Christianity as justification.

What do you think Bush is doing?

Morality of western society is built upon the theological virtues of Christianity. Bush is a crusader. He is on a global mission.

I know, but everybody hates Bush (even the majority here in the states).

and thats why he was re-elected......so lets get bush out and just worry about the problems in the states.....and let the terrorists strike again

oh and you can't associate all muslims with terrorists

[Bululu]

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I am mslim too guys,

and what I wanted to say is that there is a big poverty and illetracy problem and instead of helping these people by educated them and empshesizing on the importance of education you do the exact opposite and a very good example is what is happening in Iraq ( i am totally against thoes bombings and the killing of innocente people wether it is in London , New York, Madrid or anywhere in the world ) but I am also against all the shit that the amiercans did in Iraq and the hundreds of people dieing every day there on TV , what i take on the western world is that when someone dies there it is a very big sadness but we see on TV hundreds dieng in Iraq and no one gives a fuck which in my opinion is really not correct.

summarizing what I want to say is that if you want to stop all these killing s and terrorist acts push people to learn and togo to school because education helps alot in becoming a normal human being.

[amir]

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terroriste are not muslim they are criminal!
that's it!
fuck all terroriste and all killer!!!!!!

i love peace and all cool people


sorry because my english are bad , (i speak french)

[Yao]

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Je t'ai compris Amir ;-)

But...Bululu, you say we need to educate them: but how are we supposed to do that? The Western countries in general are not getting much access to Islamic or Middle Easter countries, not even France.
Besides, the West has a debt to fulfill in Africa, but less so in the Middle East. There too, personal freedom will have to grow, and governments will have to concentrate on less religious education but more 'occupational' education, teaching people a trade instead of one single book.

The biggest problem is still inside the religious core IMO, although I must say the West hasn't really done much to help the people there either....

[Bululu]

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Yao let me tell you something and these are facts , I am originally Algerian and ALgeria is the first country that suffered from this Terrorism shit and this dates from 1990 and we lost 150000 people since then ( nothing compared to the attacks on the states or the UK ) and guess what , the mosques of London , Frankfurt , Rome where the main places to collect funds for these muther fuckers and it was done legally in front of the Police eyes , and guess what the UK government (while 1000s of people were slaughtered in Algeria) that it is an internal problem and that they didnt want to interfere in internal Algerian problems ,( this is the GSPC groupe linked to /AL QAEDA that was operating in Algeria and trust me my friend Algerians suffered more than any other country in this world from this shit ) and when westerners saw that they might suffer from this shit they want an International coalition against this phenomenen , where were they when we were screaming for help , not even that just to sell some night vision benaculars , there was a Ban on selling arms to the Algerian Army, thats what really bothers me with westerner governments is that when they are not directly hit they never open their mouths but once they are in the shit they want an international coallition, these are real facts my friend lived by me and my familly back in Algeria.

and Yao when I said educate people, yes you can , not by fucking MTV and TV channels but by helping to fund schools and by pressing on governments in this under developed countries to send every chld to school because its a right, and dont tell me you cant do it yes you can especially Americans they can do whatever they want when they want , IRAQ is the most recent example YAO .

[Yao]

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Yao let me tell you something and these are facts , I am originally Algerian and ALgeria is the first country that suffered from this Terrorism shit and this dates from 1990 and we lost 150000 people since then ( nothing compared to the attacks on the states or the UK ) and guess what , the mosques of London , Frankfurt , Rome where the main places to collect funds for these muther fuckers and it was done legally in front of the Police eyes , and guess what the UK government (while 1000s of people were slaughtered in Algeria) that it is an internal problem and that they didnt want to interfere in internal Algerian problems ,( this is the GSPC groupe linked to /AL QAEDA that was operating in Algeria and trust me my friend Algerians suffered more than any other country in this world from this shit ) and when westerners saw that they might suffer from this shit they want an International coalition against this phenomenen , where were they when we were screaming for help , not even that just to sell some night vision benaculars , there was a Ban on selling arms to the Algerian Army, thats what really bothers me with westerner governments is that when they are not directly hit they never open their mouths but once they are in the shit they want an international coallition, these are real facts my friend lived by me and my familly back in Algeria.

and Yao when I said educate people, yes you can , not by fucking MTV and TV channels but by helping to fund schools and by pressing on governments in this under developed countries to send every chld to school because its a right, and dont tell me you cant do it yes you can especially Americans they can do whatever they want when they want , IRAQ is the most recent example YAO .

Chill out dude, and reread my post. I didn't say the West should do nothing in the first place, let's get that straight.

But...

I am aware of the situation in Algeria, I'm not illiterate you know. Villages getting massacred in the night by the Muslim extremists and sometimes the army too (to make sure people stay angry at the terrorists). And of course I know that by educating you don't mean by transferring Western culture. You must think I'm some kind of moron here....
Education is a must, but in Islamic or even just Arabian countries they are touchy about the West interfering with their education system. Apart from that, in Algeria the government will be more likely to spend fundings on military equipment rather than school books, and Western teachers and the likes will not be eager to go into an area where they run the risk of being a prime target to get their throats slit in their sleep.

Prime target should be to contain the conflict and maintain a minimal level of political and economical stability in the safe areas once established. Then you can start educating people my friend, not when they're at risk all the time. So yes, some Western help in that (France maybe?) would be welcome.

Terrorism dates back way further than 1990, even Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. The problem with Algeria is that it is indeed terrorism what is occurring there, but in the setting of a civil war. This makes it an internal conflict, and as you know the West will only intervene in such cases when their own interests are at stake. I do agree with you that either help or intervention should be given/carried out there, and you can count on it that at this very moment France is violating the embargo, though be it not directly and only small scale to avoid any suspicion.

But hey, if you like the Americans (read: Bush and his lapdogs) so much, why don't you just give 'em a call? Just promise them a few barrels of oil, and you'll be liberated before you can say 'mississippi'.

[picklemonkey]

genocide of all non-caucasians imo

[trancein]

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The only places Bush is gonna go and help, is where OIL is found, they have nothing in return in Algeria nor Bosnia. Bush will help but he wants something in return. Where there is no return there is no help. Weapons of Mass destruction was just an excuse...where are they now. I dont see them do you?

[Bululu]

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Yao I didn't mean anythign by my post i was just trying to answer some of the questions , you now I like your music man .

Yao regarding Algeria and the information that the army was killing civilians it is bllshit and gebrish , I am algerian and I know more than western medias I think :? . Algeria now is a flourshing country (some shit still happen) but it is like in any country in the world. westenrs are working in Algeria and the country's economy in booming, I invite to take a look at this beautiful website containing amazing pics about Algeria ,

http://wall2807.skyblog.com/index.html

Also it wasnt an internal affair since alot of the mujahedeens in Afghanistan (Algerians,Morrocans, Bosnians,Saudis, ect ) trained by the CIA, were in ALgeria fighting the government and killing the people , so it wasnt an internal affair .

coming back to our subject terrorism should be treated and not eliminated, these people dont fear death and the more you kill the more they are trust me , so we should look at the real reasons , not by envading Iraq and LIBERATING people you will eliminate terrorism , not by repressing the Palistinian people and letting them live like doggs that you will eliminate terrorism , the western governments are helping the heads of terrorism recruit more people and pushing uneducated to follow this terrorism road .

one final word Life is precious and it is not the right of anyone to kill inocents, being them Americans , British , Iraqis , chinesse

[davetlv]

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. . . not by repressing the Palistinian people and letting them live like doggs that you will eliminate terrorism

I actually agree with you on this point Bululu - once the so-called leadership of the Palestinian people stop manipulating and stealing from their own people and instead invest those stolen funds into health care, jobs and education, then maybe, just maybe, you might begin to end Palestinian terrorism.

[Yao]

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Yo but isn't the present situation in Algeria a result of the govt annulling elections in the sight of a Muslim extremist victory?

I can hardly imagine the CIA fighting with those extremists...anyway, it wans't taken badly Bululu A little heated discussion should be no problem once in a while ;-)

BTW I do agree with you and Dave on the Palestine question mate...I hope to eventually be able to do my little part, but there's only so much one guy can do eh. And those big men at the top have their own (countries) interests @ #1...no matter how sweet they talk to us 'common people'. Politicians are by definition bastards, even the good ones.