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  • picklemonkey
    Double hoodie beer monster
    • Jun 2004
    • 15373

    #16
    bart, if you download a file from someone via P2P, the RIAA can find your address. seriously... just think about the definition of P2P: Peer-to-Peer. it basically means to connect directly to another person without the use of a server for transferring data. Now let's think about how it works.

    Imagine you're hosting a shitload of music for people to download. Someone from the RIAA searches on Soulseek for a Metallica track, which you have. When they double-click the file to request the file, the following process happens:
    1. their computer opens a port and listens for traffic on it.
    2. sends your computer a notice via the server that you want to download the file. this notice is comprised of the file they want to download, their IP address, and the port that has been opened
    3. your computer receives their request via the server
    4. your computer opens a new outgoing port
    5. your computer connects directly to the person requesting the file (here's where the P2P comes in) by using the IP address and port specified
    6. the file transfer begins

    once the file transfer begins, you're basically fucked. try this... go to a MS-DOS command prompt and type NETSTAT. you'll see a list of all ports on your computer, what remote address is bound to it, and the status of the port. finding someone's IP address can be done within minutes thanks to P2P networks:
    1. Open Soulseek
    2. Go to a command prompt
    3. Type NETSTAT
    4. Start a download from someone in soulseek
    5. type NETSTAT again
    6. look for the IP address that wasn't in the first list

    From there, it's cake. just take the ip address and do a reverse whois on it with pages such as http://dnsstuff.com. By using this process, I just got beanz's IP address, found that his ISP is Comcast in Los Angeles, CA (Corona, CA to be exact), and that I can contact +1-856-317-7272 with any network/policy abuse situations. With this information I can contact Comcast, give them a date, a time, and an IP address, and they will be required to cooperate with the law by providing which of their customers had that IP address at that time, which leads straight to which person was hosting illegal music.

    The same process can be done to those trying to download from you, as well... this shows that anybody on any computer anywhere can find anybody with minimal tools. I don't work for the RIAA/Government, but I think it's safe to assume their tools are more powerful than those that I just showed you... so no, P2P isn't safe. Downloading from anywhere on the Internet isn't safe. The only "safe" thing you can do is not share a fuckload of music with people you don't know, and definitely don't make copyrighted music available to the public.

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    • supaz
      Platinum Poster
      • Jun 2004
      • 1493

      #17
      Re: how safe is p2p

      Originally posted by bart_smastard
      i'm still welcoming intelligent replies .. some ppl need not respond
      What is the deal with the abrasive attitude?

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      • beto
        Gold Gabber
        • Jun 2004
        • 964

        #18
        Get PeerGuardian: http://methlabs.org/projects/


        And if your client allows it, wear a proxy...

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        • Jerry67
          Addiction started
          • Jun 2004
          • 286

          #19
          Re: how safe is p2p

          safe

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          • bart_smastard
            Gold Gabber
            • May 2005
            • 980

            #20
            Re: how safe is p2p

            thanks for replies guys much appreciated .. decided to just share dj sets and vinyls from now .. though my user list will still b able to access everything but mainstream music ..once again thanks

            mjdu#b ( sure there is an "m" missing from that name ) bing the exception

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            • MJDub
              Are you Kidding me??
              • Jun 2004
              • 2765

              #21
              You're adopted and your parents never loved you.
              http://www.myspace.com/mjdubmusic

              You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

              "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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              • picklemonkey
                Double hoodie beer monster
                • Jun 2004
                • 15373

                #22
                Re: how safe is p2p

                Originally posted by bart_smastard
                decided to just share dj sets and vinyls from now ..
                vinyls are copyrighted material

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                • bart_smastard
                  Gold Gabber
                  • May 2005
                  • 980

                  #23
                  Re: how safe is p2p

                  yeah but if i don't share vinyls i don't recieve em . then i wouldn't know what to buy

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                  • picklemonkey
                    Double hoodie beer monster
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 15373

                    #24
                    why'd you start this debate if you weren't going to listen to any of the advise supplied?

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                    • sono
                      Gold Gabber
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 515

                      #25
                      Originally posted by picklemonkey
                      The same process can be done to those trying to download from you, as well... this shows that anybody on any computer anywhere can find anybody with minimal tools. I don't work for the RIAA/Government, but I think it's safe to assume their tools are more powerful than those that I just showed you... so no, P2P isn't safe. Downloading from anywhere on the Internet isn't safe. The only "safe" thing you can do is not share a fuckload of music with people you don't know, and definitely don't make copyrighted music available to the public.
                      scary stuff

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                      • bart_smastard
                        Gold Gabber
                        • May 2005
                        • 980

                        #26
                        Re: how safe is p2p

                        i took some advice and decided not to share stuff that can get me into too trouble ( vinyls bing the exception) and also i installed peer gaurdian but it is only good at detecting known suspicious i.s.p.a.'s still got 11,000 music files shared on soulseek but been a bit more careful with what iv'e shared. i asked the question cos u hear rumours of failproof ways and the almost failproof ones that were posted sounded a lil beyond my technical understanding

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