Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

[robprunzit]

Check out this story on Atta a year prior to 9/11 set aside by DOD lawyers and not allowing the FBI to arrest this guy even though the proof of Atta having ties to Bin Laden.

Curious to see how the blame for 9/11 can stay on the back of the Bush administration with the cover up of this Clinton blunder.

Now I only hope the Bush Adm. will seek out the lawyers and prosecute them for their role in this mismanagement of security information.

http://www.gsnmagazine.com/aug_05/dod_lawyers.html

[skahound]

blah blah blah...

Why do we constantly have to look into the past? It seems as though the right seeks every opportunity to bring up Clinton. Why? What does it accomplish? I listen and read views from all sides in order to form as unbiased opinion as possible and a recurring theme among the Republican whipping boys (Hannity, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter) is that they just can't leave it alone. Clinton has been out of office for 5 years now, get over it.

Now, on to this new 'revelation'. It has yet to be substantiated first of all, so your cries of prosecution will have to wait. Secondly and most importantly, 9/11 happened - wake up! You think that by going back (if the allegations are in fact true) and prosecuting some pencil pusher will ensure that a security lapse will never happen again? Or do you think that by sending some intern to jail it will magically put the buildings back in their place and restore the lives of the almost 3,000 people that perished that day?

Wake up!

[thesightless]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

i wish we could deny the existence of the middle east.

[toasty]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

Monday morning quarterbacking, all of it. The simple fact of the matter is that both Bush & Clinton had opportunities to do things that would have made 9/11 less likely. Both obviously failed.

Actually attempting to place blame on anyone for 9/11, however, is absurd. I can't believe for a moment that Bush or Clinton, or anyone for that matter, had information pre-9/11 that would have actually allowed us to do something to prevent it and failed to act on it.

As anyone that pays attention to this board knows, I think Bush is an absolute moron that will likely go down in history as among the worst presidents we've ever had -- but I don't hold him accountable for 9/11. As you may not know, I didn't vote for Clinton and, knowing what I know now, think he could have done more to fight terrorism -- but I don't hold him accountable for 9/11, either.

The guy I hold accountable for 9/11 is still roaming the mountains of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border a free man.

[skahound]

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As you may not know, I didn't vote for Clinton

Thanks again for your support toasty.

[toasty]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

As you may not know, I didn't vote for Clinton

Thanks again for your support toasty.

Nope. I was a card-carrying member of the college republicans back then. Believe it or not, I voted for the elder Bush and [gulp] Dole, and for the current jackass the first time around. As I think back on it, though, I may have voted for Clinton for his second term. I recall that I was never excited about Dole b/c I thought he was out of touch, and was literally undecided in the booth. I have a faint recollection that I might have broken down and voted for Clinton, but I honestly just don't remember.

[thesightless]

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i never voted in clintons second term, i though dole would actually die before the term was over, so i couldnt just vote against clinton. i couldnt vote clinton though as i saw what the market was about to do and how it was becoming so overinflated and, personally, i thouhght the little recession we had was going to be a lot worse. and for perot...... well just go watch an old dana carvey bit.

[skahound]

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Nope. I was a card-carrying member of the college republicans back then.

So there's hope for the others after all, eh?

[thesightless]

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being republican isnt bad. its when they go too far is when we(citizens) get hurt.

as an CPA/Tax attorney, i can say fiscal repsonsibility is one of thier good traits. also a fan of small gov't. but thats about it.

[skahound]

I agree with you Sean - whole-heartedly. I'm just messing around, making a broad generalization. Anyhow, those are the 2 things that I'm a fan of although I don't think I'd say that Republicans as a whole (especially this administration) are fiscally responsible.

[toasty]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

being republican isnt bad. its when they go too far is when we(citizens) get hurt.

as an CPA/Tax attorney, i can say fiscal repsonsibility is one of thier good traits. also a fan of small gov't. but thats about it.

Are fiscal responsibility and small government still republican traits? I haven't seen anything in the last five years to suggest that they are. That's why it drives me nuts when the sheep in this country say, "well, Bush is a republican, and I'm a republican, so I support Bush and agree with whatever he says," 'cuz this fucker is a republican in name only. Greatest snowjob in history, imo.

[toasty]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

Nope. I was a card-carrying member of the college republicans back then.

So there's hope for the others after all, eh?

[thesightless]

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i hate those people too toasty. i didnt vote for him either because of those reasons as well. he is wasting money on a hopeless cause, and a cause that most americans arent even pulling for. also, he isnt quite as "transparent"" as his two predessors. even bush I had to raise taxes, he at least gave us reasons. bush seems like he is lost in his own downward spiral, he created it, and now he digs himself deeper. he should just go on TV and say this sentence exactly "" FUCK THIS, we are pulling out in the next week because the region isnt worth it and i fucked us all up, therefore i resign." i think the sound of the applause could be heard at the space station. let cheney wrap up the term as we all know, he is the one with the brains, albeit a quite sinister person. cheney actually might have to be more liberal with social policy due to his family. he is smart enough to control the money and relations with other countries as he is a better speaker and comes off less brash in conversation.

[skahound]

Damn Sean, never did I think that we would agree on a political issue let alone 2 posts in the same thread. Not sure that I agree with the Cheney part, but I admit that I honestly don't know much more than I've heard on the news, etc. so therefore I can't make an accurate assessment.

[thesightless]

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ska, i am farily centered, but i usually get pulled into playing devils advocate for the far right around here because too many people are blind far left. we all need to look how the other side think and we'll end up realizing that we need to come together. remember scaredawe? he was a huge michael moore fan and thought moore's films were giving everything as pure and absolute fact. he even thought the charlten heston clip from bowling was real, until we showed how it was edited between 4 different speeches(he has like 4 outfits, a few podiums, and different backrounds that moore fades out). every fact that a gov't critic or politician gives us can be countered with a different fact. they tell us what we want to hear at a time and place rather than what we should/need to hear.

if bush said from day one
1. hussein is a murderer. he has killed people because of their sect of islam. he has actually destroyed the land and agricultural systems of midland iraq in order to choke out the dissidents without having to actually kill them.
he has tried to obtain weapons, but he got rid of them once we said we would invade
2. he is a major de-stabillinzing force in the region.
3. frankly, we need to do something about the area to lower oil, because the worlds economy runs on it and they are hurting everyone.
4. etc etc
5. i have a vendetta.

rather than saying WMD's were sitting on a counter that is waiting for us to pick up, then the war might be justified a bit more. but he didnt.

people who have actually talked with me rather than drawing me into an arguement know i think pretty centered.

if i seriously had control of who ran this shithole, i would force the houses to be different majorities to balance each other, and the losing candidate would be VP. and the governers would act more like the cabinet, rather than letting #1 pick his own.

look today. worldcom officer(forgot name) just got 6 years for 11billion theft and scandal. im sure right now in NYC there is a young black kid who is being arrainged for 10 years for having 2 pounds of weed he was gonna sell to his friends. we let rapists off on light sentences when a guy who gets an involutary vehicular manslaughter serves as much time, if not more. we have people sitting outside jails in texas trying to keep people who commit multiple murderers alive when that murderer would kill them if they got in his way. we actually pay to rehab, feed, excercise, and parol those who hurt us. but we cant get a countrywide fund going to buy a building, give a homeless person a room, some education and a job. all that guy did was fail school because no one held his parents or him accountable when he was in school. instead we look away, or say no thanks when he asks for a dollar to get a cup of hot tea in january snow. but our leadership finds it OK to give over 200k per year to EACH criminal in our jails.(it costs that per person each year in NY). this whole country needs to look at itself. republicans need to move away from a militaristic state, and democrats need to move away from socialism and appeasement.