Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

[robprunzit]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

sorry, should have been specific. eye-p, who do you think is responsible for what i asked before. im in the bin laden group, secondly, i attribute it to the creation of isreal and the hatred it generated in the region. too many mid eastern ppl say its all about us meddling with them by creating isreal and backing it all this time. from syria to yemen, they all consider isreal thier first and foremost enemy. many more preparing for something bigger now that isreal has shown a weakness by withdrawing from gaza.

YOU are right on with the Israel connection. I believe every Bin Laden tape mentions some kind of link to Jews or Israel, and we are their primary backer.

I have several Muslim friends, and I dated an Iranian girl for a while. My Lybian friend who has lived in America for 30 years, and moved to the States during college, has told me how he was raised to HATE Jews. Through stories, jokes, and propaganda children are slanted to only think lowly of the Jewish people.

Now this friend, has friends who are Jewish, and he admits it is wrong what happens in the Muslim world, but he would never speak up to loudly for the fear of being killed. We have lots of Muslims in Atlanta, and I'm sure some could be considered extremist.

So it was a well deserved point, one which has been almost completely overlooked.

The Islamic world had been gearing up for this war much longer than we would expect. That is why they came from every direction to fight us in Iraq.

[robprunzit]

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Yesterday (24th) eye-p wrote the following. Sorry I screwed up the quotes.

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[quote="eye-p"]I will address these things 1 at a time.

3. Sudan NEVER offered Bin Laden to Clinton. Sorry. Never happened. The source of this story, a pakastani named Monsoor Ijaaz(sp) has been totally discredited and now shows up on Fox News occasionally. Further, the 9/11 commission also debunked the Sudan claim. So did Richard Clarke.[quote]

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I'm sorry your simply wrong. Clinton was taped answering questions and he states very clearly that he had the opportunity to take Bin Laden from Sudan, but didn't think he had the evidence to hold him, so he tried to pass him to the Saudis, but they would not take him, so he ended up in Afghanistan.

You can say Clinton didn't have the opportunity all you want, but you are simply put Very Wrong. Clinton on tape is clear evidence over all other.

[eye-p]

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Dude, that was 1996. He hadnt committed a crime against the US in 1996.

So, if he didnt have EVIDENCE to hold him, then why should he, uh, hold him, exactly?

Are we now in the pre-crime business?

[robprunzit]

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i'd also add on the multiple calls for jihads against america. if your gonna call GW and DC war criminals, then bin laden has gotta be grouped with them. he did the same thing. ordered a war for asinine reasons. none of them actually fought. thing is, WE (USA) keep paper trails. he hides in a caves and sends videos to news agancies. bush could have overtly sent in a nuke and blown the shit out of bagdahd. outside of tracing nuclear elements to the our reactors, there wouldnt be much evidence he did it.


too much bullshit in the world today. :?

anyone wanna chip in a buy a secluded island? :P

YES, YES, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! but it has to have an internet connection to MercuryServers.

[thesightless]

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they wanted to take him, but the FBI admitted there was no ""concrete"" evidence to convict a foreigner in the USA under the multi national agreements for our courts. they had confessions and heresay, but all of it could be refuted as much as a "confession"" note can be refuted as a fake.

depart from political thinking for a sec please. trying to use this analogy to show what i mean above. in 94, a california assemblyman tried to get a BS law passed to curb rap's influence, he wanted to use thier lyrics as confessions to put them on trial. all they had to do was say ""i faked it" and they would lose credibility. if the law got passed, it was a win-win for him either way, 1. they get locked up or 2. they lose credibility

now interchange assmblyman with FBI, rappers with Bin laden and cronies. bin laden biggest asset is his credibility right now and has been for a long time. his money helps, but he received a lot of funding from middle eastern ppl, our CIA and im sure a few other agencies from various countries sympathetic to his cause.

[Jenks]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

hahaha...


hey robprunzit...

you'll need to post your thoughts again sir. i tried to quote you and somehow ended up deleting your post.

sorry.


or maybe i'm involved in a big conspiracy!!!!!!!!

[Civic_Zen]

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Interesting read.

A lot of those "War Games" and "coincidences" are disheartening for sure, and definetely interesting. Assuming some of that information isn't made up.

However the reasoning for all of this regarding "Peak Oil Time" and "Controlling the world" is a stretch if you ask me. A rather large one too.

[eye-p]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

Interesting read.

A lot of those "War Games" and "coincidences" are disheartening for sure, and definetely interesting. Assuming some of that information isn't made up.

However the reasoning for all of this regarding "Peak Oil Time" and "Controlling the world" is a stretch if you ask me. A rather large one too.

Wow. If thats what you find to be a stretch, I have got a few links that will clear up your questions:

https://www.peakoil.net

https://www.peakoil.com

This will be the easiest to follow- watch the trailer:

https://www.endofsuburbia.com

Here is the letter that PNAC sent to Clinton in 1998. They call for Clinton to invade Iraq. In 1998.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Here is PNAC's defining document- Rebuilding America's Defenses. This is the document that calls for the US to assert military dominance in the ME in order to secure "resources" in light of peak oil.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

And here is a summary of that document:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

[Jenks]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

THE END OF THE WORLD DOT COM

YOU'RE FUCKED DOT ORG

DIG A HOLE DOT NET

i'm seeing a trend in your links eye-p.

[thesightless]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

he refuses to accept that people dont think like he does. all over the world certain groups want what teh PNAC wants, certain groups want chaos, certain groups want nazism back. last i looked humanity has been around for a long time, and we aint going anywhere.

[Jenks]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

yeah, i just pinched myself, i'm doing pretty good.

[Civic_Zen]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

Interesting read.

A lot of those "War Games" and "coincidences" are disheartening for sure, and definetely interesting. Assuming some of that information isn't made up.

However the reasoning for all of this regarding "Peak Oil Time" and "Controlling the world" is a stretch if you ask me. A rather large one too.

Wow. If thats what you find to be a stretch, I have got a few links that will clear up your questions:

https://www.peakoil.net

https://www.peakoil.com

This will be the easiest to follow- watch the trailer:

https://www.endofsuburbia.com

Here is the letter that PNAC sent to Clinton in 1998. They call for Clinton to invade Iraq. In 1998.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Here is PNAC's defining document- Rebuilding America's Defenses. This is the document that calls for the US to assert military dominance in the ME in order to secure "resources" in light of peak oil.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

And here is a summary of that document:
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3249.htm

Obviously you completely misunderstood what I said.

I know what the "Peak Oil" term was in reference too, but I don't think thats reason enough to kill 5,000+ Innocent (and FELLOW) American's in order to provoke a war that will lead to all of this.

Thats a stretch of absolute gargantuan magnitude. But believe what you want. I acknowledge that a lot of the read was interesting, and even disheartening (assuming its true). Some of those coincidences look really serious (once again, assuming they're true) but the reasons the article gave for Chenney to initiate such a plan just don't do it for me. Maybe you see America as trying to take over the world and rule all, I don't see that. If thats the best reason you can give then it just reitterates my Tin-Foil Hat argument. The motive just isn't there in my mind for mass murder on that scale, it IS there for the terrorist organizations that have wanted to bring down the WTC since day one.

Everyone knew that was bin Laden's and his organizations main goal, they thought it would do more to the economy then it actually did. And not just to us, to the entire Western market structure. Why do you think they attempted it previously, and then stated on Al-Jazira (sp?) publically and globally that they wouldn't stop until the WTC had fallen. Hell even our own economy thought it would be worse after it happened, and it definetely could have been A LOT worse. So without the whole pinky and the brain scenerio, where we rule the world - why would we do this then? For the sake of our economy? And our way of life? You don't see the irony in attempting to destroy an economy with the intent of saving it?? I would make sure you wear rubber soled shoes as well.

[robprunzit]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

hahaha...


hey robprunzit...

you'll need to post your thoughts again sir. i tried to quote you and somehow ended up deleting your post.

sorry.


or maybe i'm involved in a big conspiracy!!!!!!!!

CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY Your trying to cover up my arguments, I see the plan, its the end, were all on the edge, Bin Laden is next door having tea and crumbcake with Cheney, OH MY GOD! Kill me now. Please.

[neoee]

Civic, welcome back. Long time no argue

eye-p may point out peak oil as the reason for 9/11, the war ect. and while I do agree (fine call me a nutcase), I think its only part of the picture.

As world population increases resources will dwindle and wars resulting from the lack of will increase. Right now we can say energy is the motivating factor but even if we get over this hurdle don't you think a think tank like PNAC would consider it best interest to be in a dominating position for when say food, becomes a scarcity? How about other resources? Look around you what basic resources were used to make the products you use day to day. Woods, clays, sand, etc. Simply put, the world population will outweigh the resources available. Personally I think the market will dictate but groups like PNAC feel otherwise.

Even if you do see the myriad of anomalies relating to 9/11 as just coincidences, certianly you can see the motivations for PNAC, and if not just go to their website- its not hidden.

http://www.newamericancentury.org

[thesightless]

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again. be fair. they are allowed to think like that.

i have been begging us to send out radio calls to outerspace for an alien invasion for years now. if only to unite humanity. does that make me wrong? not for me.

personally i think the ACLU is terribly wrong for petitioning to US to give prisoners more privelige, ban death penalty, and give illegals legal protection in the US court systems.

((side bar)) here in Long Island NY we have the largest population of salvadorian immigrants coming in illegally. the ACLU has fought hand and teeth to protect them from being evicted from homes becuase the landlord doesnt like 40 of them living on one floor of a house, the local citizens are losing jobs at an ever increasing rate(b/c unions are not strong here) and frankly, every neighborhood they move into loses property value drastically while NYS increases property taxes every year. they are killing our communities and they think they are right for protecting people who really dont even live here legally.