ipods fucking up dj's ?

[bart_smastard]

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WE HATE BLAND ... WE HATE HEARING THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER
dj's are paid for a few hours work what most of us earn in a month and they get to travel the globe living the life we would love . ipods and other mp3 players are allowing us to listen to music more and more . it's a good thing and it's a bad thing cos we expect new and we expect quality . it's turning us into spoiled listeners .but dj's must addapt and try to make all sets interesting .

[3d_1200]

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having high musical standards will only improve the final product imo.

it's not like dj's just started playing the same tracks repeatedly. before every live set was taped and put on slsk, dj's travelled around and played a very similar set all over the country. but it was fresh because people hadn't listened to the set they played the week before.

[bart_smastard]

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having high musical standards will only improve the final product imo.

it's not like dj's just started playing the same tracks repeatedly. before every live set was taped and put on slsk, dj's travelled around and played a very similar set all over the country. but it was fresh because people hadn't listened to the set they played the week before.

this is my point but more radio sets and published sets are available than ever before all of which they are paid good money for so they have to raise their games . it is half technologies fault i agree but the other half of blame has to lay at the feet of the dj's . many bedroom dj's can play this weeks releases with impecible smoothness but they ain't on the same money . i should of imagined we have all had to explain to the uneducated how dj's don't simply get paid for putting someone elses music onto a deck and that it takes talent do what they do . i have drifted a lil bit from my original thread but not much . but the tools are there now for dj's to show thier full capabilities and although i wouldn't want them experimenting on my big night out too much ( i'm 31 and don't get out that much anymore) on radio sets and studio mixes they should try earn their buxs and leave the club sets for clubs

[3d_1200]

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everyone listens for a different reason, but personally i like the club sound, and find it apropirate for any situation ;-) i think all of these "home listening" comps don't help much, because while it may sell a few extra copies, it doesn't bring new people out to the club. or if it does, they expect this home listening style and get bombarded by club bombs. which can be confusing for as you put it, the 'uneducated'. to me, part of my love for the music ties in with the experience of going out on a good club night and doing exactly what edm was designed to do- make you dance.

[Steve Graham]

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[quote="chuckc"]

^^^^^^^
I Shit when I play out I bring out tracks from 2000, 2001 because, well especially in Tampa, these people most likely havent heard it in ages, if at all. That also shows you are a very knowledgeable dj, and not just out buying everythng brand new, just came out. hell, anyone can go to juno, and beat port and buy the newest stuff.. but pulling a gem from 5 or 6 years back and ropping it.. THATS style!

YOur totaly right about that....

i heard someone playing some of those older jems at the island party in fla. one was off an old seaman comp america i think...i am bad with track names though.

Russell played a starecase remix of "under the water"

[Steve Graham]

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The "old track" stuff...that?s something that?s constantly being discussed in dance music boards...there?s this obsession with the "that?s so six months ago" syndrome.

And all this stuff we?re talking about in this thread makes that syndrome even worse...the syndrome is going into a "that?s so 3 months ago" phase now!
I think this in part is what drives DJ?s to search for different styles...that coupled with the fact that any 15-year old can make music in his bedroom leads to these changes in the music we hear and the way it?s played . We can discuss if it?s good or bad for the quality of the music itself, but I for one am sure that something great will eventually emerge from this. The sheer numbers will mean that MORE music will come out, bigger ammounts of crap will ammount, but more creative and quality stuff wil surface too

But this can?t be done with an attitude of shame for the past, that some DJ?s seem to exhibit.

I?ve been warping a few tracks in Ableton Live for the past few days, and here?s some old/not recent stuff I wanna throw in there :

Jark Prongo - Moving Through Your System
Way Out West - The Fall
Alex Dolby - Psiko Garden (Sasha?s Tretched Limo Mix)
Ryukyu Underground - Seragaki (Quivver Remix)
Evenflow - Indecisive
PQM - You Are Sleeping
Rivera & Trattner - We Become One
Skud - Taste Of Flesh

and others...

that has been a pet peeve of mine.. people going on about a track being "old" after it's six months old. I mean I understand certain tracks get hammered when they come out, Affrodiziac comes to mind, great track, but by the time it was actually released it was some what worn out.. BUT, in a few months drop that, and people will think.. Oh YEAH.. great choon.
Again a lot of non dj's that dont frequent message boards or go to clubs religioulsy most likely have never even heard it anyway.
If a record was good when it came out, it doesnt cease being good, just gets over played, so store for the right time and drop when they least expect it. IMO of course.

[bart_smastard]

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everyone listens for a different reason, but personally i like the club sound, and find it apropirate for any situation ;-) i think all of these "home listening" comps don't help much, because while it may sell a few extra copies, it doesn't bring new people out to the club. or if it does, they expect this home listening style and get bombarded by club bombs. which can be confusing for as you put it, the 'uneducated'. to me, part of my love for the music ties in with the experience of going out on a good club night and doing exactly what edm was designed to do- make you dance.

i love tracks that trigger a memory and some tracks i adore that iv'e neva heard in a club . iv'e bought tracks sets and vinyls . and spent many many many an hour downloading a 100's times more but we are listening to the same stuff too often i don't crave another genre i have shit loads of diff styles on comp but the constant radio and published sets arn't realy getting me going it's either the same tracks and identical remixes or blandness . this is what i'm trying to emphersize . don't get me wrong i don't realy enjoy old school sets cos u heard each track a 1000 times but dj's these days see themselves as producers and remixers ableton allows u to do this live on sets . giving the them ability to add a lil of the old with a new set whilst keeping it in the modern style ( and lets face it dj's if u exlude the traveling and and time in record shops and that they realy only do two to three two hour sets a week ) so maybe they could fuck around with tracks on laptops on the plane to create original stuff for radio sets . leaving what we expect of them in the clubs .. the tools are there to create something new everytime they play and if they incapable maybe it's time for younger blood with fresher ideas to step to the front . dj's are signing up to radio shows and producing sets for sale for money. to earn twice the money u have to do twice the work . not just do the same thing in a different order each week

[bart_smastard]

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although i still blame mp3 players for allowing us to get spoiled so much we don't appreciate what were listening to.. trust me it hurts so much to hate my beloved creative 40gig zen xtra .. but i am beggining to realise the evil it is doing.. damn next thing u know i'll start hating broadband and my comp and crave the days of going in a record shop and everything being new.

just as another sub thread does anyone still go into a record shop and say heard it the other night the beat goes dang dang der darrr then baseline kicks in and goes ect.ec.t or do we all have scraps of paper with names of atrist /track name / remix on them

[superEGO72]

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i agree to an extent.

but i think far more blame should be put on those tracks that people are skipping to. the hit tracks.

the thing i used to love about the great dj sets are that you would hear some builds using tracks that on their own, kinda blow, but in the context of the mix are amazing. anymore though, it seems like all the tracks are trying to be the next hit record.

sometimes, i want my ears to be assualted with acoustic unpleasantries to make the awesome records stand out even more!

[GregWhelan]

Think you are all taking this way too seriously - a tune is a tune no matter how many times you hear it.I think the problem is over-exposure - I listened to every digweed show for about 3 years until it got to the point of over-saturation - I didnt listen for months, when I listened again it was quality.

DJ's dont care about how old a track is when they are in a club - if it fits the mix or the crowd wil like it, it will get played simple as that.

I remember seaman's cape town comp getting an absolute slagging before it came out (when the tracklisting was released)People were moaning about how old the tracks were, particularly on cd2.But did it affect the end product?No - that cd is one of my favourite of all time.Dos anyone really care now?No - they dont remember that the tracks were dated when they came out.

It's all about dancing, having a good time and enjoying yourself!

[skahound]

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although i still blame mp3 players for allowing us to get spoiled so much

What came first the mp3 or the mp3 player?

[superdave]

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The quality of music hasn't been great recently for prog. I'm kinda of burned out on that deep, dark sound from years ago now and the electro thing has got me burned out recently too. Like said earlier, it's hard to find that track that moves you.

I know most of you hate trance, but I was a huge trance fan in the late 90s and started listening to some old sets from back then. The energy in the music is still unbelievable and I don't see it being matched currently. As for the trance DJs of today playing prog, sure I can see them playing certain tracks considered prog. Most trance people sometimes move over to prog like I did around 2000. It seems like a natural progression.

I've been enjoying Luke Fair's sets this past year because I think his sound is a little unique and incorporates house, prog, and electro, but seems to keep it fresh.

And I can see why Sasha plays Behind the Wheel on every set or show this year. Because the crowd really enjoys that track and he gets a good reaction. He's not playing directly for us, but the people who paid cash to come out and see him. We're a select few who actually come to these sites, download, mix, and really enjoy this music.

[wowflutter]

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Another problem is many people talk about prog vs. electro, which is an ignorant opposition. Wake up, folks: there are 100 other EDM genres besides electro that are not progressive.

Also, most people talk about electro and wouldn't recognize it if it bit them in the ass. 75% of the times they are referring to tech house or techno anyway.


wf

[bart_smastard]

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ppl seem to b losing track about what this thread is all about .. i want opinions on whether the availabilty of music these days and the frequency of which we listen due to modern technology is either spoiling us or whether it is affecting the sets dj's are playing

[gokada]

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I couldn't agree with you more...I've been toying with the idea of giving up spinning just for the mere fact that I'm not moved by much of the stuff coming out these days. Don't get me wrong, I love progressive but it's definitely taken a turn to the mellow side...much too mellow and not enough oomph to play out at a club. I stopped playing trance when the prog. sound came about, but have since resumed playing it to cover for the lack of energetic prog. tunes that could be played towards the end of the night. And this electro business, not a fan at all...there are maybe 2 tracks that are coined as electro that I don't mind but the sound generally doesn't have enough feeling to it for me...gimme some dark, chunky, tribally, prog. shite anyday....