READ IMO! SCARY UTAH RAVE SWAT TEAM BUST

[Huggie Smiles]

i live in utah and got a call from a friend right after it happened... it was like the war in iraq.

no offense, but I doubt it!!

[3d_1200]

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after watching the news clip, one thing is disconcerning about the party itself - the fact that minors were present. IMO, that makes the promoters/organizers look bad. It allows the media to portray them as drug traffikers or whatever other outlandish term they want to use, but having minors there really makes you look bad. i know it was a rave and not a club night, i'm from detroit, so i'm very familiar with how it works. but personally i just dont care what kind of event your throw, in my very humble opinion, EDM is for the mature music lover out there. thats what seperates us from hip hop/rock. Thats all nice and fun that those genres have all ages events, but theres no place for >18 year olds at edm events. i'm sure some will disagree, but considering our scene is so 'party' oriented, it takes a more mature type of person to handle some of the heavier aspects of our scene.

i was just as mad as anyone else when i read this at first, and i still think that the police acted very inappropriately, but considering what was confiscated by police, what ground do you have to stand on as a promoter when some 16 year old girl eats to many beans at your party. when you claim to have hired security taking drugs away. Thats what happens when you have young kids and drugs, they dont know what the hell they're doing. i am sympathetic to those kids out there, but these kind of events is what causes dumbass newscasters to just refer to any EDM event as a rave or "drug party". Very furstrating and sad event on many fronts.

[jarble187]

i live in utah and got a call from a friend right after it happened... it was like the war in iraq.

no offense, but I doubt it!!

I could see how the comparison could be made to a slight degree. How would you feel if you were out in the middle of nowhere and saw someone jump out of the bushes in camoflague with a rifle and a helicopter flying overhead, watching girls get the beat down...you'd probably shit yourself.

Thanks for the links to the vid...Im curious to see this.

[miketpoto]

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any EDM event as a rave or "drug party".

I'm confused, what other kind of "party" is there? It's just redundant I suppose, but I would hope in this day and age that people dont throw around the word "party" and can't put their nostrils or lungs where their mouths are... just an observation.

[3d_1200]

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the anchor from this clip immediately reffered the party as a 'drug party' thats where i got this from.

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_233220802.html

utah local news coverage. is there anyone more annoying then newscasters?

[chloe harris]

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no, you can not say that something won't be done.

we have to do something. this is not ok.

we've all been to parties that cops have broken up, but there is absolutely no excuse for how these kids were treated.

keep emailing and telling people. lets get this on the tv, in the media and in the papers. regular people need to know what's happening to thier kids.

[jarble187]

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I just watched the video...It was a jungle party...they definetely had it coming!

[bart_smastard]

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Thats all nice and fun that those genres have all ages events, but theres no place for >18 year olds at edm events. i'm sure some will disagree, but considering our scene is so 'party' oriented, it takes a more mature type of person to handle some of the heavier aspects of our scene.

i was just as mad as anyone else when i read this at first, and i still think that the police acted very inappropriately, but considering what was confiscated by police, what ground do you have to stand on as a promoter when some 16 year old girl eats to many beans at your party

srry but was going to the illegals , the hacienda and to terradrome ( sashas first proper residency ) when i was 15 y.o. music dosn't have age barriers and u can't put an age restriction on a drug that's illegal . it's up to parents to control kids . and police should control criminals which we ain't . i have always said u can't commit a crime against ureself ( ie popping pills ect.ect. ) up to police to catch dealers .if i was one of the persons who had my night disrupted like this id'e be getting others who where there and think about a human rights /civil liberties case against the state .ud'e prob have to file it in a more liberal state . (i have no idea how ure laws work so humour me ) only way u'll stop the rot is to do what so many others have done in other things and scare the police with threats of lawsuits and imprisonment . they are acting with impunity whilst ppl just run away and hide till the next event .

[shosh]

From what i hear the party was 100% legal with permits, $2 mil insurance policy, EMTs. security. Cops claim other wise, but at the same time they confiscated everything they found, including video camers. Some ppl claim they might have confiscated all their paperwork, which would prove that the party was approved.

The EDM scene here is in shock. No matter how much I hate ravers, etards, and goddamn tweakers, this is ridiculous.

On top of that, since Utah is such a conservative state, the news organizations only mention the bust and not the mistreatment of the kids. Oh and Bush is visiting Utah today.

Fuck the free world!

[3d_1200]

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srry but was going to the illegals , the hacienda and to terradrome ( sashas first proper residency ) when i was 15 y.o. music dosn't have age barriers and u can't put an age restriction on a drug that's illegal . .

i agree the music does not have age barriers, but events SHOULD. the whole point of my post was to say that it will hurt the promoters in the end due to the fact minors were in the prescnse of drugs. people who don't know anything, will assume these events are drug oriented instead of music oriented. which we all know is wrong, but these situations make proving our point VERY VERY difficult. when it comes to a jury, if this was all adults, it would be one thing. but when other peopls childeren come in to play, it will be near impossible for a jury to feel any sympathy for the promoters and orginizers.

side note - when i go out to the club, it's nice being in a setting for adults, having 15-17 year olds running around is just not attactive to me.

[bart_smastard]

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the anchor from this clip immediately reffered the party as a 'drug party' thats where i got this from.

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_233220802.html

utah local news coverage. is there anyone more annoying then newscasters?

they did a test in the european parliment building around 5 months ago and found that over 80% of the toilets had traces of cocaine in them ( and these buildings are cleaned constantly ) does this make it a drug parliment that should be shut down ( i hope so ) also in a different test a few years ago they did a test in england on bank notes and found a vry high percentage of notes that had been in circulation for a while had traces of cocaine on them . so does this make all the money in england drug money.
around 90% of ppl at "raves" ( i hate that term ) are on summat illegal it's an undeniable fact but E kids gotta b the friendliest less likely to commit a crime bunch of kids as u get .and surely if an event is legal all the police are entitled to do is walk through the crowd and do a FEW stop and searches any more than that would b harrasment . respect the law but learn your rights people

[bart_smastard]

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side note - when i go out to the club, it's nice being in a setting for adults, having 15-17 year olds running around is just not attactive to me.

couldn't agree more on that score only club i go to in manchester these days is ampersand which is members and guests only and strictly 21+ .but i avoid the places where they go ,it dosn't mean they shouldn't have places to go .

[3d_1200]

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they did a test in the european parliment building around 5 months ago and found that over 80% of the toilets had traces of cocaine in them ( and these buildings are cleaned constantly ) does this make it a drug parliment that should be shut down ( i hope so ) also in a different test a few years ago they did a test in england on bank notes and found a vry high percentage of notes that had been in circulation for a while had traces of cocaine on them . so does this make all the money in england drug money.
around 90% of ppl at "raves" ( i hate that term ) are on summat illegal it's an undeniable fact but E kids gotta b the friendliest less likely to commit a crime bunch of kids as u get .and surely if an event is legal all the police are entitled to do is walk through the crowd and do a FEW stop and searches any more than that would b harrasment . respect the law but learn your rights people

ok what does this have to do with england or its parliment using coke? we've all heard this about all gov't officials from every country using coke and it being on the money so what? its one of the nastiest double standards out there. but its irrelevant man.

it doesnt matter how nice these underage kids are on e, it's just reflects sooo poorly on our scene. people dont know enough about the scene to understand it's not all about the drugs. the anchor man doesn't know how junlists differ from the prog house scene, give mea break man. we are not in the good graces of pop culture like rock/hip hop.

enough hijacking, the point is having minors caught with illegal items will really make it difficult to take the focus off the party goers. sad but true.

[bart_smastard]

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if an outdoor concert featuring those bloody awful godrock boybands was being held and it attracted 6,000 kids all being lured into the satanic practices of christianity , then the media would concentrate on the happy smiling faces of the kids in the front and say what a wonderful event it all was . it wouldn't show the collection of puking teens that sneaked alcohol or drugs into it , or the rare cases of molestation or violence that does happen . that's the trouble with the media they don't show what happens they just go looking for what they want to happen. it isn't my country and my knoledge of the place is feeble but edm been in ure country since b4 mine . it's up to the experienced clubbers and promoters to change the perception of these events and up to lawyers to protect ure rights to hold them.

i think i have said all i can say on the subject it's your fight and i hope you win

[3d_1200]

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if an outdoor concert featuring those bloody awful godrock boybands was being held and it attracted 6,000 kids all being lured into the satanic practices of christianity , then the media would concentrate on the happy smiling faces of the kids in the front and say what a wonderful event it all was . it wouldn't show the collection of puking teens that sneaked alcohol or drugs into it , or the rare cases of molestation or violence that does happen . that's the trouble with the media they don't show what happens they just go looking for what they want to happen. it isn't my country and my knoledge of the place is feeble but edm been in ure country since b4 mine . it's up to the experienced clubbers and promoters to change the perception of these events and up to lawyers to protect ure rights to hold them

right, other musical genres, have entirely different perceptions or stereo types in pop culture. the majority of voting americans, get there informaiton from the tv. mtv never plays techno, so it there for sucks. oh i was watching CSI and they showed a rave and it all kids on X and heroin. americas public is very gullable and ignorant (on this specific matter). now thats why its the first thing that coems to people minds when they hear about 'techno'. so people go looking for it. when you hear hip hop, you think sluts with big asses and a rack, wearing minimal clothing, so thats what the cameras go looking for, and any drugs and that kind of stuff, fade into the background.

it's up to the experienced clubbers and promoters to change the perception of these events and up to lawyers to protect ure rights to hold them

the most intelligent thing you've said. and your helping me prove my point. the promoters have to be more responsible and must use a little more foresight when throwing an event like this.