John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[chuckc]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

big thanks and love for making these available to us. big mental health boost during pandemic.

For sure, huge thanks to dhar n mood!!!!
these bunkers were the one thing that I could count on for an uplift each week,
sux it’s being taken away

[ddr]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

For sure, huge thanks to dhar n mood!!!!
these bunkers were the one thing that I could count on for an uplift each week,
sux it’s being taken away

i dont think it will be taken away entirely, we just wont be getting the super nice flac and 320 mp3's anymore... unless mood shares his ways with some of us tech savvy people?

[MusicJatt]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

For sure, huge thanks to dhar n mood!!!!
these bunkers were the one thing that I could count on for an uplift each week,
sux it’s being taken away

Thank you guys again for that huge boost !

[ENNISELLIS]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Obviously it's up to Mood what he does, but IMO there is no harm in still grabbing these, if only to keep for himself. In a year's time when things have blown over maybe it would be okay to share then. But I think it's silly to draw attention to this if they are clamping down on file sharing. Why advertise the fact?

And they aren't being taken away completely - you just can't keep them. You need to make sure you listen live when it's free to air instead. Which is easier said than done. Sometimes I have other things to do or am simply not in the mood. And there are always buffering issues on Mixcloud so it's not always a great, or complete, experience.

[ddr]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

You need to make sure you listen live when it's free to air instead. Which is easier said than done. Sometimes I have other things to do or am simply not in the mood. And there are always buffering issues on Mixcloud so it's not always a great, or complete, experience.

or pay up for mixcloud select which isnt horrible but still isnt a 320 mp3 that i can play anywhere.

[sbando]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

It's a pivotal moment in MS' history, things have changed for good.

[matttymm]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Mixcloud select is only 64k if you download the file to play anywhere. I don’t know whether the stream is higher quality.

it’s exactly that reason why the community wants their own high quality version.

I’ve subscribed out of respect for the cause not because I will ever you the app

Listening to the show is either inconvenient or poor quality due to buffering

[Knightsfan87]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Real disappointing it's come to this, but I suppose not a surprise.

[chuckc]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

^^especially after all the support MS has given Digweed over the years...

[feather]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

I doubt Digweed himself is personally doing this because he knows MS is sharing the sets.

[simonr]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Hi everyone

My understanding is this was part of a batch of music taken down - the main aim was to prevent piracy especially with Bedrock releases, because the label supports artists especially during this difficult time. Artists get a % of sales and the illegal file sharing really impacts that revenue stream to the producers making the music, and labels that support graphic designers, engineers mastering tracks etc.

Mixcloud is the official way to get and support the Bunkers - that starts the conversation regarding paying for streams and starts to try and get revenue going to artists and labels. Plus you can hear this for free as a live broadcast on a Saturday night in the first place.

I appreciate people collect and want physical copies on drives but please do what you can do support the makers of the music. If other platforms start to follow suite then more and more goes to the creators of the music we all love to hear.

If you are ripping and sharing the sets can I suggest a few things - keep the quality to 320 (not even sure you can create a higher quality file based on the original stream as the additional elements won't have been in the source) and can you only have the files up temporarily. The last thing needed is someone saying they have HQ bunkers and then selling pirate box sets across the internet with the finger pointed at [ms]

Also if you like the music - buy some of the tracks to compensate on the likes of Bandcamp so the artists and labels get some revenue. I know a lot are struggling right now, and even those that have decided to re-train are struggling given the employment challenge globally with limited work out there.

John, I know appreciates the support and sense of community. If you read the words and sentiment here then this better explains his views far better than I can try to convey:

https://909originals.com/2020/11/12/music-has-been-one-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-the-lockdown-period-909originals-catches-up-with-john-digweed/

So if you do put up any more Bunker in the spirit of 'live and let live' then please do this short term, discretely ... and please, please, please support the makers of the music somehow via bandcamp etc. where you can - appreciating these are trying and testing times for everyone financially.

[ENNISELLIS]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Thanks Simon. For what it's worth I ALWAYS track down the tracks I like and buy them through Bandcamp or Juno. I do what I can to support the artists themselves - from my point of view my downloading these mixes doesn't change that. It's not a replacement for the individual, unmixed tracks, but I appreciate not everyone does this so can understand why things are being tightened up in the current climate.

On a side note, I saw someone selling packs of old EMs on a website a few weeks back. Makes my blood boil - especially if any of my rips have ended up in there. They were shared as not for profit - the way that it should be.

[sbando]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

^^especially after all the support MS has given Digweed over the years...

Exactly.

People who have paid money to share his music (the MS Archive) are considered as pirates now.

[simonr]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Just for clarity my piracy reference was the official releases Sbando i.e. the 100s of illegal downloads that go up for each official release on the first day of sale across the internet. Those illegal downloads take away the revenue going to producers of the music we like.

[Dhar_2]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Just for clarity my piracy reference was the official releases Sbando i.e. the 100s of illegal downloads that go up for each official release on the first day of sale across the internet. Those illegal downloads take away the revenue going to producers of the music we like.

yes, which was my point about the differnce from a live broadcast and a bought album.

No one wants to detract from this revenue of the artist.
But if we record a live broadcast and post it???
The radio station/webcast should pay the royalties based on the number of assumed listeners.
Once it is free, you have no control over it. It is not a physical thing like a CD.

The leeches that then sell radio/web sets for cash on ebay are the fuckers they should go after as they are monetizing it.
we share for the community!