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  • Jenks
    I'm kind of a big deal.
    • Jun 2004
    • 10250

    #31
    Re: MLB- Playoff Run

    Haha, just clicked MLB to read up, and this article was front page...

    From sports illustrated...



    Pujols' time has come


    Andruw Jones lit into a couple more pitches Sunday, launching two home runs while the Braves crossed off another win and the growing "Jones for MVP" chorus revved up once again.

    Without Jones this year, the Braves would be scrambling to stay afloat. He is, at the very least, their most valuable player. When Chipper Jones went down with an injury, Andruw was there. When all the rookies came up from the minors, Andruw showed them the way. When the Phillies and Marlins and Nationals and Mets made their runs, it was Andruw who beat them back.

    Yes, Andruw Jones is having a heck of a year. As of Sunday, he led the majors in homers, with 49, and the National League in RBIs, with 121. But you know what?

    Give me Albert Pujols for MVP.

    What we have here is a case of a really good year by a very good player (that would be Jones) placed against another exceptional year in an already historic run of exceptional years by a truly exceptional player. Yes, Jones has been good. But he doesn't match up to Pujols, the Cardinals' first baseman.

    (Before we go further, I have to mention the Cubs' Derrek Lee here, who also has produced an outstanding year. His team, though, has stumbled badly, which has hurt Lee's game and his MVP chances over the past month and a half. He's now behind both Pujols and Jones in the MVP race.)

    I could rip off stats galore in this Jones vs. Pujols argument, but instead of doing that, let's just go with an abridged version of the numbers debate. Jones leads the league in homers and RBIs. Pujols is fairly close in both categories, ranking third in homers and second in RBIs. End of that.

    Pujols leads Jones in just about every other meaningful statistical category: on-base percentage, slugging percentage, combined on-base and slugging (OPS), extra-base hits, total bases, batting average (that's not even close), hitting with runners on, hitting with runners in scoring position, walks, strikeouts, walk-to-strikeout ratio (that's not close, either), steals, runs, runs created ...


    You get the idea.

    Of course, that's the easy part of the equation. It gets a lot more difficult to pick an MVP when you take into consideration the intangibles. You know, the "most valuable" part.

    Jones has been an integral part of the Braves, both with his typically wonderful play in center field and his place in a lineup that has undergone some painful changes. But no one has meant more to his team than Pujols.

    Yes, the Cardinals have other stars, including center fielder Jim Edmonds. But the Cardinals, like the Braves, have had plenty of upheaval. They started the season with a new middle infield combination and a new catcher. They have played without third baseman Scott Rolen for most of the season (and he's now out for good). Outfielders Larry Walker and Reggie Sanders, key components to the lineup, have been injured for extended periods, too.

    Pujols has been the Cardinals' rock, the steadiest part of a team that has the best record in the majors. He's missed one game all season. He leads the team in every offensive category. He has been everything that anyone expects out of an MVP: The leader, the example, the cornerstone.

    Manager Tony La Russa raves about Pujols' work ethic. Everyone else raves about the results and the numbers he constantly, and consistently, churns out. Pujols has become the first player in history to hit .300 with at least 30 homers and 100 RBIs in each of his first five seasons. As of Sunday, he was hitting .337, four points shy of Lee, well within reach of his second batting title. He also had 39 homers and 107 RBIs. He was the only player in the NL in the top three in batting average, homers and RBIs, and he was also in the top three in on-base percentage (he led that category) and slugging percentage (he's second to Lee).

    In 2002 and '03, Pujols played backup to Barry Bonds for the MVP award. Last year, he finished third (behind Bonds and the Dodgers' Adrian Beltre).

    That also-ran streak should end this year. No one has been a better all-around player than Pujols. No one has meant more to his team.

    If that's not an MVP, I don't know what is

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    • thesightless
      Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
      • Jun 2004
      • 13567

      #32
      Re: MLB- Playoff Run




      god its gonna be bad when the yanks get knocked out of he playoffs on the last day of the season at fenway. imma go into hiding
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      • Jenks
        I'm kind of a big deal.
        • Jun 2004
        • 10250

        #33
        Re: MLB- Playoff Run

        ^ahhh the book post, very original.

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        • thesightless
          Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
          • Jun 2004
          • 13567

          #34
          Re: MLB- Playoff Run

          lol,

          the player i have been loving this season is D train. 21 wins, hitting like 260, couple of homers and RBI's, 6 shutouts, and a bunch of complete games thrown. he is a throwback player. hustles all the time, only pitcher you see diving into home headfirst. young, exciting, energetic. everything the game needs. model player for kids.
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          • Jenks
            I'm kind of a big deal.
            • Jun 2004
            • 10250

            #35
            Re: MLB- Playoff Run

            Wow, a pitcher hitting .260, hey, that's right up there with Andrew Jones numbers.

            It's good to see you finally agree with me on the MVP tho. :P

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            • thesightless
              Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
              • Jun 2004
              • 13567

              #36
              Re: MLB- Playoff Run

              what MVP? manny?

              im still thinking jones gets it over pujols because he meant more for his team. Manny will get it over AROD if yanks dont make it to the playoffs.

              the award is MVP, not best player. if it were best player you'd be forced to give it to AROD and pujols for each league.
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              • rewing3
                I really don't care
                • Jun 2004
                • 5504

                #37
                Who cares baseball is boring. As long as the yankees don't win it this yr. I could care less.
                Common Sense is not Common at all.

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                • Jenks
                  I'm kind of a big deal.
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 10250

                  #38
                  Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                  Originally posted by thesightless
                  what MVP? manny?
                  thesightless
                  Pujols MVP


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                  • runningman
                    Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 5995

                    #39
                    Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                    Originally posted by Jenks
                    Originally posted by runningman
                    . You can't give a player with worse numbers the MVP

                    Why not, that was the case for Bonds twice.

                    Plus, i don't think Pujols has worse numbers than Jones. 10 more HR's is hard to argue with. But Jones isn't the complete player Pujols is imo, and you'd be giving the MVP to Jones for the flashy stat HRs, not all around value:

                    Jones = .275 average - 49HR - 121RBI - 89Runs - 145Hits - 61Walks - 97K's - SB - 3

                    Pujols = .338 average - 39HR - 108RBI - 117Runs - 180Hits - 85walks - 60K's - SB 15
                    Jenks who the fuck cares about walks?? the fact of the matter is that Jones had 10 more homeruns and more RBI's... the runs is a chart that is based on the team around you.. Jones has nobody. Also another advantage that Puljos has is they can't pitch around him because the line-up is strong.. they always go with RBI's and homeruns.. we haven't even got into fielding yet.. Jones has made 2 errors all year..

                    POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT

                    OF 142 141 1238.0 333 323 8 2 1 --- --- --- 2.41 .994

                    Puljos has made 11 errors this year.
                    POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT

                    1B 142 139 1226.0 1547 1453 83 11 162 --- --- --- 11.28 .993

                    not to mention that 1st base is one of the easiest position in baseball..the centerfielder is the general of the outfield.. I still pick Jones.

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                    • LV-8
                      Platinum Poster
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1167

                      #40
                      Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                      Originally posted by thesightless
                      kinda disagree with ya jenks.

                      i'd give it to jones. he carried a team with kids and no chipper to win the division. better stats outside of average, but that also reflects the team around him.

                      puljos has a ton of talent around him as well.
                      I'd have to agree Jones has a bunch young inexperienced guys and to do what they have done with Chipper being injured all year, that's pretty impressive.

                      Regarding, I'm torn between Clemens and Willis but their teams suck so Carpenter it is.

                      in the AL, I'd love for Rivera to win it but he probably won't and for MVP GO A-ROD!!!!!!

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                      • Jenks
                        I'm kind of a big deal.
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 10250

                        #41
                        Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                        Runningman wants a custom title too.

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                        • thesightless
                          Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 13567

                          #42
                          Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                          change it back plz. :?
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                          • Jenks
                            I'm kind of a big deal.
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 10250

                            #43
                            Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                            Originally posted by runningman

                            Jenks who the fuck cares about walks??.
                            Well, more walks = less chances to get RBIs and homeruns no? It matters.

                            Still tho. leave that stat out if you have to, Pujols still killed him in every other category except HR and RBI, and he's not far behind in both of those.

                            We'll have to see what the writers do. My pick is still pujols.

                            One thing i think we can all agree on here: At least it's not fucking Bonds.

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                            • Jenks
                              I'm kind of a big deal.
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 10250

                              #44
                              Re: MLB- Playoff Run

                              Originally posted by thesightless
                              change it back plz. :?

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                              • rewing3
                                I really don't care
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 5504

                                #45
                                ^ That is true. About time someone else will get the mvp. I will laugh my ass off if bonds wins it though by some wierd chance. The guy only will play 20 some guys. Then you will know sports are fixed.
                                Common Sense is not Common at all.

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