WOW. its now unconstitutional to recite the pledge in class

[thesightless]

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.

im sorry, but this one falls on the lap of the far left. how in the fuck are they letting this judge make it unconstitutional to recite our pledge to our country just because some little shit's parents are agnostic? should we even be a country any more? tell the kid to simply keep his mouth shut when the rest say it. god, whats next?

i understand the the concept behind the 10 commandments, but this is retarded. its not about religion, its about loyalty and history.

George washington has gotta be pulling his hair out of his head.

[KarmaticOne]

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schools still recite the pledge in class?

[darkmark]

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look bro, the god squad added the "god" part to the original pledge a few decades ago. why not just downgrade to the earlier version? the alternative is to change the constitution.

[thesightless]

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yes in 1954 they added it. take it back and recite it.

or tell kids that they owe nothing to the country they enjoy so much. hand out the burkas and tell em curfew starts at 9.

one thing i think they should be forcing kids to do is this. oh yeah, and study.

[Jenks]

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This really doesn't bother me at all. Being forced to say a few patriotic lines toward a symbol every morning in school? does that really make a difference? no.

[darkmark]

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yes in 1954 they added it. take it back and recite it.

or tell kids that they owe nothing to the country they enjoy so much. hand out the burkas and tell em curfew starts at 9.

one thing i think they should be forcing kids to do is this. oh yeah, and study.

sorry man, i don't think this is one country under god. because, i'm not part of the god squad. this is one country under the constitution and the rule of law. when you throw the god reference in, it REALLY DOES make non-christians feel uncomfortable. It made me FEEL uncomfortable when I was in school.

[thesightless]

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they should take it out. im there with you. but i do think they should learn and recite it. dont make them, but dont make it illegal to say it. we could be like asian countries where every male owes a few years to the military.

[neoee]

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As long as it has the reference to God or any other deity I think it should be unconstitutional. What if they changed God to Allah? I'm sure most Christians would have a fit.

George washington has gotta be pulling his hair out of his head.

I think quite the contrary, Washington was most likely an Aethist or Agnostic, possibly a Deist (considered an agnostic of old times). Thomas Jefferson, another founding father was an Aethist. I think they would applaud this decision. You don't think that freedom of religion was by chance, do you?

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

[thesightless]

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i didnt mean it in the fact of religion at all. its more about the idea of the pledge to the country. i would drop the religious reference if it keeps the pledge around.

[toasty]

I think it is pretty clear that the problem that the court had wasn't with reciting the pledge per se, it was the fact that the pledge happens to include the reference to "one nation, under God." So before anyone gets too bent out of shape over the idea that the court doesn't want the pleadge recited, make sure you know what it is that it was really troubled by.

Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the concept of separation of church and state should realize that "under God" would be a prohibited recognition of the establishment of religion, and that clause really ought to be excised from the pledge, if you're looking at it from a purely legal/constitutional standpoint.

With that said, I could really care less if it is in there or not. Although I'm not a particularly religious person, I've said the pledge my whole life and those two words haven't given me any real problem. If I'm looking at it objectively, though, if someone is going to challenge it, I think they've got a pretty good argument that the "under God" part is inconsistent with the establishment clause.

With all the talk about so called "activist judges," though, I think people sometimes forget that judges don't actually have the option of tweaking things to suit their liking. The judge either has to uphold the recitation of the pledge in its entirety or strike it down in its entirety. As such, a finding that the pledge, as it reads now, impermissibly coerces a religious act upon someone, doesn't mean that the act of reciting a pledge of allegiance has been struck down. The way I read the decision, drop "under God," and you're golden.

[runningman]

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looks like your country is going to shit as well as mine.. here they are trying to enforce Sharia Law for muslims.. how about that.. I said it before and I will say it again "politically correct is going to be the end of the west." now they are going to change the rules from the men that created the country?? who the fuck do these people think they are?? Anarchy is just around the corned and martial law to protect yourself will be soon.

[thesightless]

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hey, they vetoed the Sharia law. it was only going to be used for divorce cases like jewish and catholic law is respected in said cases. Islamic Sharia Law, as most of us know, is extraordinarily prejudice against women and the rights they maintain under the religious guidlines they follow. we have seen a few Islamic Nation move away from Sharia law with the advent of the ""women's rights movements"" in the region. in the matter of a decade, they went from basically being lockedd in house, to getting jobs, voting rights, political positions and more in certain regions. however, there is still much to be done. but fear not, canada will maintain a universal code of law for all in the provinces.

[bart_smastard]

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America is going to the dogs .. this kinda p.c. bullshit should of been stamped on when they sent memos to all civil servants telling them they wern't allowed to say merry christmass anymore and had to say happy holidays instead . in england we arn't even allowed to display our flag outside of businesses anymore . it seems to be that the majority of the population has to respect every one elses country,traditions and beliefs but their own

[thesightless]

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agreed ^

that was what i was trying to say about why the christians here want to avoid gay ""marriage"". personally i dont care. but i understand that """marriage""" is something they want respected. the union of a gay/lesbian couple should be called ""union"", not ""marriage"" in thier eyes.

people are forced to ""accept and respect"" others, we cant even hold our own befliefs. we arent even allowed to hate anyone anymore. if you get into a fight and call the person a name that is based on religion, race, or preference, you automatically become a ""hate crime"". even if you werent the perpretrator.

[bart_smastard]

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when i was at school we had to celebrate with the muslims and hindus ( no jewish at school so didn't do any of theirs) with their main holydays and they had to do likewise with OUR custums . that is intergration and learning. banning and ignoring causes segregation and resentment.

i wish these thinktanks that come up with these ideas would listen to everyones views . instead of the wacko's shouting the loudest