Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

[YO75]

shite......................

how did I miss this

Gonna grab these, I'd be stupid not to according to most :wink:

[MJ]

^^Bloody good init?

[Chatterbot]

Re:: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

yeah man, em:t rules.. it's a treasure trove of intros and interludes and all kinds of stuff.. that lucid dreams one has some really cool ambient monologue type tracks..

i've really been into ambient for a long time, so at some point i've been toying with the idea of doing about a 4 hour mix that goes from about an hour of ambient, into laid back house, into harder dance music, all the way into techno, and then down into groovy kinda house at the end..

maybe if i'm ever well-known enough i'll do it since people will listen once they've heard of me, but being a nobody i feel a bit like people will say, "damn, a 4 hour mix from some joe schmoe? i'm not wasting bandwidth on that.. "

I?d say......:


BRING ON THE 4HOURS-MIX!!!

[poorimpulsectrl]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Thanks for the response Kelly. I am of the same perspective as you when it comes to mixing. Occasionally it's nice when someone like a jonathan lisle definitely brings something to the mix that stands out i.e. you know the dj is doing something uncommon. But for the most part I think the tracks and programming is the most important thing, and the dj's job (beyond that primary task) is to ensure fluidity and seamlessness, so the work is one cohesive whole.

[kd]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

hey kelly D, wicked set mate.

nicely done.

was wondering if there is a cue list for - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

i want to know what track comes in around min. 32.

cheers and thanxz a lot.

I didn't do a cuelist but I can if I get a chance.. I didn't do one since it wouldn't fit on a CD anyway, but i could do a tracklisting with times perhaps..

at 32 minutes is misc 'the magic number' on sender though.. in some ways, that's one of the key tracks of the whole mix because it is meant to take the mix from all anticipation to another level..

[dali18]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

hey kelly D, wicked set mate.

nicely done.

was wondering if there is a cue list for - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

i want to know what track comes in around min. 32.

cheers and thanxz a lot.

[shaper]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

This looks pretty exciting. Leftfield mixes need more attention at this site IMHO. Its always the case that the more "difficult" music now is the standard of the future. keep on rockin.

shaper

[djsethnichols]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

sweet deal! thanks for sharing.


I'll definatley check this out

[kd]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Hey there guys.. Sorry - I hadn't been to this corner of the forum in a while because I wasn't getting the topic reply notifications on it - maybe there's a time limit on those..

Perhaps people saw it at the site, but I put up a free remix that I threw together of Kobbe & Nitro's 'America'.. The site explains the story behind it a little, but this particular mix is a bit abrasive, so many won't be into it, but it's an interesting listen regardless I hope.. The "real" remix I did isn't out yet.. It should hopefully come out sometime soon, but the label is in somewhat upheaval right now, so I'm not sure.. The other mix is a lot more suited to a progressive set - it's an 11 minute long thing that is a bit less in-your-face.. So even if the free remix on the site is not your style, if the real mix comes out, it is worth a listen..

On the topic of mixing with Ableton: I don't know if there are any real good guides to show you how to do it.. There are sort of different ways to do it.. It's not like mixing with CDJ's or Traktor or another program like that - in other words, I don't usually do it in real-time.. It *can* be done in real-time - it's just different that way.. The key thing is you have got to get all the "warp markers" set perfectly, which with some tracks can be an adventure and with others it takes seconds.. One other key is I pretty heavily use that 'auto-filter' plug-in, so that I can fade in a track without the bass in it, and then sort of crossfade between the frequencies of the 2 (or 3 or whatever) tracks.. Just like normal DJing, you can rarely have the bass frequencies playing thru from more than one track at a time.. But setting the warp markers can be a bit of a chore and that's something that is hard to describe without actually showing someone in person..

On the style of the two mixes currently up: I could have gotten a lot fancier with both of those, but for the *most* part they are both pretty conventional.. In other words, they could be duplicated pretty easily when spinning live, so that's why they don't sound a huge amount like they couldn't have been mixed on CDJs or 1200s or whatever.. But there *are* some subtle things in there that wouldn't be possible, or at least not that seamlessly.. One of the biggest things that would be difficult in something besides Ableton is that I actually edited some of the songs - I repeat certain sections, chop off ends or beginnings, even reorder some tracks once in a while.. Ableton also comes in with a lot of the FX I added.. Once again, that could be done live, but perhaps not as seamlessly.. There's actually a lot going on, but the majority of what I'm doing to the track ends up just sounding like it was part of the track..

I've always been a fan of DJs that were sort of 'transparent' - in other words, I don't want to be listening to something and say, "oh, listen to what the DJ is doing now".. I just want the music to flow and I want your direct interaction with the music.. As soon as you start to analyze or deconstruct what the DJ is doing, your brain is working analytically and not 'connecting' to the music as directly as possible.. Take for instance one of those DJs that will start scratching all of a sudden or something.. Sure the crowd goes nuts, but at that point, the crowd becomes a "spectator" crowd and watches the DJ or whatever.. When you become a spectator, you're not as 'lost' in the music..

So that's the thing you hit on that was pretty perceptive - the mixes try not to say, "Hey look what I can do" but just try to drop you in the correct mindset and keep you there by trying to be as seamless as possible..

I remember hearing Sasha spin a lot around 94/95 and for the life of me you couldn't tell when he was switching songs, but that made you just get lost in it more.. With the style of music on these mixes, you can hear when I switch songs usually, but hopefully it all flows in a way that makes sense..

Hopefully I'm not getting too deep there - a lot of this works on a subconscious level.. I don't sit there and analyze every second, but your subconscious just kind of says, "that mix works" or "that mix doesn't"..

One last thing - I actually remixed Iio recently, and while they are a pretty mainstream group, the mix I did is actually pretty underground, almost a bit techno-ish at times.. I'm looking forward to people's thoughts on it - it should be out pretty soon (a couple weeks I guess)..

[arielus]

got both his sets and they are excellent.

good job Kelly

i was curious about the one made with ableton, but sounds just like a normal set.. well, a good set, but didn't notice anything different to one made with cdjs or 1200s.
i should listen to it couple more times probably

[MJ]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Sorry to bump again but if you have not grabbed this piece of musical art then you should do so now. imho this is by far the best set of this year.

[poorimpulsectrl]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Kelly D -

Would you have any recommended resources/guides for someone wanting to learn to use Ableton for mixing?

[djrichwoods]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Good stuff kd...

both sets rock, and anyone that can transition seamlessly between a holden track and a $2egg track has my respect.

Cheers.

[Slinky775]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

Well first of all hello Kelly, you are one hell of a nice guy and you are the reason I shop at essentialgroove.com soo much. You have always been super helpful to me and you are one of the few people who take the time to email me back when I send you messages. I am a huge fan of moonburn and snake and now, this set also. Very nice track selection and I appreciate your effort to use tracks that not too many people have heard. Keep this up man, you certainly have my attention if you put out any new mixes or tracks. Thanks again for sharing this.

[ATN]

Re: Kelly D - ableton-based mix - 14.07.04

10x Kd
Like the mix a lot
Keep it up bro