Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

[hulkhuss]

Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

Confuscious says.......

[toasty]

Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

toasty .. it makes you an agnostic . you believe in god but not religion .

I think of agnostic as being open to the idea of God's existence, but requiring proof of it, as opposed to being an atheist and affirmatively believing that there is no God. I don't think that's quite me, but it's close.

I'd describe myself as spiritual but not religious. Even that probably overstates it though.

Using science to prove the existence of God is just such a ridiculous bootstrapping type of argument. Frankly, when I look at the beautiful gal drinking beer in my avatar, I wonder at times if such perfection could only be the result of divine intervention. That doesn't necessarily make it so, though.

[hulkhuss]

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^^^^^you got a point there that chick is way hot!

[nicomax]

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Seems to me that Cowardly dj is into the "intelligent design" theory, right?

Take a look at this article

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4488706

[skahound]

Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

Frankly, when I look at the beautiful gal drinking beer in my avatar, I wonder at times if such perfection could only be the result of divine intervention.

Forget the girl, I wonder if such perfection is the work of divine intervention when I look at that frosty mug she's holding!

[mixu]

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I'm sorry, I thought I was logging in to [ms]...

If bees make honey, why don't wasps make chutney?

[skahound]

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Listen pal, I'll take that rep power right back just as quickly as I gave it.

[Yao]

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[drunken rant]

Jeez man, how hard is it to imagine that nature might be able to create solutions beyond our limited range of thinking? We copy things off nature, not the other way around. The most ingenious solutions for problems are found (and still to be discovered) out there, not in our little undeveloped minds. The biggest problem I have with religion is that it assumes that we, humans, are the ultimate lifeform created by some greater being.

Well fuck that. If it is so, your god or any other kind of deity has done a pretty damn poor job. If this is the result, It is an amateur who has miserably failed. Look at the world, look at people, look at our beaviour, our characters. We as the ?ultimate? lifeform could learn a lot more from the ?lesser? lifeforms on this planet. Intelligence and self-consciousness may be fun, but it has certainly also led to a lot of bullshit and misery.

And last of all: how come you believe in an institution that, given it?s behaviour in the past centuries, has not really proven to be that what it claims to be?? I surely hope you do believe only for yourself, in sincerity. Because the church is a fuckup of epic proportions. And yes, here comes Africa again mate:
Church went in there to convert all those people, preaching all kinds of stuff. Now, we get church-buildings that cost a zillion dollars, priests that poke little boys in their holes and whatnot. I was in Ghana a few years ago, and was told the church would be ending their funding of a local project where I resided. Still, every damn Sunday people went to church, and I attended it, to see what happended. Wanna know what?

They held fucking contests between the church-goers to see who could contribute the most!! No re-investment in the village, or building a school?nothing. They use the money to build a damn church, and to buy the most expensive Toyota Landcruiser for the local ?project supervisor?: what good does that do to those people when they cannot even pay of their own food huh? Can you live on prayers? Well I sure can?t!!

Religion in general is just a way of controlling people. Set yourself free, believe in yourself and accept that there is not an explanation for everything. Religion has discarded itself in so many ways that I truly with all my heart cannot believe that people actually are buying that crap.

[/drunken rant]

[mixu]

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Listen pal, I'll take that rep power right back just as quickly as I gave it.

Sorry

[shame]skulks off to the naughty corner...[/shame]

[Cecil]

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You have to remember that whatever creature didn't fit into a specific mode of existance, didn't adapt in the particular way which you marvel at now it was eliminated and promptly forgotten. No one knows the ludicrous number of species that were wiped out before even the dinasours roamed because of their inability to adapt to form symbiotic relationships etc etc

[Huggie Smiles]

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is this the celebrity sextape thread?

[cowardly dj]

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bart.... Just out of curiosity are you a teenager because you talk like one. You say things that, to you may seem intelligent, but are remarkably stuck with immaturity. I do not mean this as an insult at all. I just think you should stop and think about what you say before you say it. I have spent years studying the Bible and different religions. I have spent years studying humanism and I will tell you this because you can not know this without studying it, man is a selfish creature, devoted to self-improvement at any cost. God is not a dictator and has given man free moral will. Most people choose to use this free will in a selfish way. That is just how it is and has been since man has existed. This is a fact whether you believe in creation as an accident or by design. That will never change. The Bible is full of selfish people doing selfish things just as our history books are.

Yao in answer to your post, God did not make mens personalities he only made us exist. We chose to war and kill and make the earth a terrible place to live. But I believe that God will have justice on the evil works of man when he brings judgement on mankind.

As for those who say science and the Bible do not go hand in hand, just hold your horses and I will show you how it does. Religion has been around long before science brought its opinions into things. There is no contradiction in the Bible as to science. If you think there is then bring me the proof of the contradiction. An accusation is simply that until proof is brought.

[asdf_admin]

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God 1
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[bart_smastard]

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Cowardly are you realy a christian and not just some hilarious comedian taking the piss ? I'm not going to bother explaining how and why i put things in certain ways ( and to be honnest if you have been studying humanism and the psychy of man i shouldn't have to ) Science was around long long before "your religion " ever came to be . So you better change that stupid part . Also you say science and religion go hand in hand /side by side . What fucking drugs are you on ? How old is the earth according to the bible? how many days did it take god to create the heavens in comparrison to the earth ? how long has man been on this plannet? how big was this ark that contained all gods creatures . the list goes on but i havn't read that piece of fiction you swear by so please can others help me
anyone know daft facts or rules written in the bible please post

[cowardly dj]

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bart_smastard - Science was around long long before "your religion " ever came to be . So you better change that stupid part .

cowardly dj - Not a fact at all sir. Religion has been here and science has only been around for a few thousand years and that is a conservative number. you should study a bit more.

bart_smasterd - How old is the earth according to the bible?

cowardly dj - The Bible does not say. It is not a text designed for scientific purposes.

bart_smastard - how many days did it take god to create the heavens in comparrison to the earth ?
Cowardly dj - Both were made in one day. Read Genesis chapter 1

bart_smastard - how long has man been on this plannet?
cowardly dj - Irrelevant to going to Heaven or Hell or if God created man. Purely a humanistic question that carries no religious weight


bart_smastard - how big was this ark that contained all gods creatures .

cowardly dj - a complete description of the exact size of the ark is listed in great detail in Genesis. Try researching it and come up with the answer yourself

As I said before I did not mean that comment as an insult. You are what some would call a person full of verbal diarrhea. You just run all the time

be not offended in these comments. I am just offering you a way to improve your intelligence. If people thought before they spoke you would find an incresed intelligence in the world