Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

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  • toasty
    Sir Toastiness
    • Jun 2004
    • 6585

    #31
    Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

    Originally posted by cowardly dj
    As for those who say science and the Bible do not go hand in hand, just hold your horses and I will show you how it does. ... There is no contradiction in the Bible as to science. If you think there is then bring me the proof of the contradiction.
    Speaking for myself, I'm not saying that science and religion can't peacefully coexist. I'm saying that trying to establish the existence of God through science is not only impossible, but flies in the whole notion of faith to begin with. A belief in God or religion is basically putting faith into an inherently unverifiable truth. If you're looking to science to provide justification for your faith, is it really "faith" at all?

    Originally posted by cowardly dj
    Religion has been around long before science brought its opinions into things.
    Sorry dude, but this is officially the silliest argument I've ever heard to justify faith in God or anything. I don't know if you've noticed, but we -- as in we, the inhabitants of this planet -- have made some pretty significant strides in terms of knowledge over the last few millions of years. That knowledge provides us with the understanding necessary to grasp the world in which we live. Part of the role in religion historically was to help make sense of that which we didn't understand.

    Think about how many religions worshipped the Sun as a God because they didn't know what it was? Now, thanks to the folks at Schoolhouse Rock, we know that it's "hydrogen and helium in a big, bright, glowing mass," and not a god after all. Under your reasoning, though, their belief system would be more valid because it has been around longer. That's absurd.

    How about the Greeks and Romans that worshipped multiple gods? Wouldn't their beliefs be more "correct" than modern religion because they have been around longer? That seems to be consistent with what you're saying. The argument that religion is more valid than science because it has been around longer simply holds no water under any rational interpretation of the issue.

    There's plenty out there that is still unknown and likely unknowable. No matter how smart we get, I doubt we'll ever know exactly how it is that life sprung forth as an initial matter. Too much of a "chicken or the egg" sort of thing. Let religion fill those gaps for you if it makes you happy. Come to think of it, let religion be whatever role you want, I could really care less. But don't tell me that a belief system based on God is more valid than one based on science simply because the former is older. That's just not solid logic.

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    • cowardly dj
      ZangerBob
      • Jun 2004
      • 645

      #32
      Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

      Originally posted by toasty
      Speaking for myself, I'm not saying that science and religion can't peacefully coexist. I'm saying that trying to establish the existence of God through science is not only impossible, but flies in the whole notion of faith to begin with. A belief in God or religion is basically putting faith into an inherently unverifiable truth. If you're looking to science to provide justification for your faith, is it really "faith" at all?



      Sorry dude, but this is officially the silliest argument I've ever heard to justify faith in God or anything.
      first comment: I am not using science to establish proof of God as it is absolutely not possible in the proof that most people call proof. Proof is in the five senses hear see touch smell taste. You can not do any of that to prove God. You hit it right about the faith thing. I am only saying that the Bible and science do not contridict each other.

      secondly: you can not see hear taste touch or smell time but no one would refute its existence would they?

      in fact it is TIME I am off to work
      Greatly rejoicing in following God as a freedom not a choice.

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      • bart_smastard
        Gold Gabber
        • May 2005
        • 980

        #33
        Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

        so "your religion" was around before science .christianity is 2000 years old
        the pyramids date back 8000 years . science and technology put them together it's been about since fire and the wheel ..
        so if the earth and the stars were built in 1 day and it took 4-5 days to decorate it . the earth must be some signifficent and huge wonderful place . wrong , it's fuckall in the grand order of things . read a book based on sense and fact and u'll realise what a miniscule irrelevant lil speck of dust this planet is .
        also according to religion it states around about that the earth is only 30,000 years old .. so science and the bible don't contradict at all ...
        and finnaly you claim to study the bible .. when you study something thoroughly you dissect / take to pieces / look for flaws and try to discover something new .. You just read and quote from it like an entranced idiot without the capacity to see beyond the black and white

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        • Yao
          DUDERZ get a life!!!
          • Jun 2004
          • 8167

          #34
          Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

          Originally posted by bart_smastard
          so "your religion" was around before science .christianity is 2000 years old
          the pyramids date back 8000 years . science and technology put them together it's been about since fire and the wheel ..
          so if the earth and the stars were built in 1 day and it took 4-5 days to decorate it . the earth must be some signifficent and huge wonderful place . wrong , it's fuckall in the grand order of things . read a book based on sense and fact and u'll realise what a miniscule irrelevant lil speck of dust this planet is .
          also according to religion it states around about that the earth is only 30,000 years old .. so science and the bible don't contradict at all ...
          and finnaly you claim to study the bible .. when you study something thoroughly you dissect / take to pieces / look for flaws and try to discover something new .. You just read and quote from it like an entranced idiot without the capacity to see beyond the black and white
          I'm with you on this one: it's religion that has placed this 3rd rock from the sun and it's barely evolved and immensely stupid inhabitants at the center of things. We are nothing, and we will someday not be anymore, and there will be nothing/no-one mourning over that IMO. Maybe someday a lost alien will be holding some human bones in it's 'hands' and wonder what these strange hard white weird shaped things are.

          Originally posted by "Cowardly_DJ
          Yao in answer to your post, God did not make mens personalities he only made us exist. We chose to war and kill and make the earth a terrible place to live. But I believe that God will have justice on the evil works of man when he brings judgement on mankind.
          You see, it's not a belief as such that I hate...I highly respect anyone and his.her belief, as long as they respect me with my worldview just as much. What I do not respect in any way is this bible-waving and pointing at me telling me that i'll got to hell if I do not choose 'the right path'. If your God has given me the liberty to choose, he'll have to learn to live with my choices. If he doesn't like that, that's his problem, but since he doesn't come down to slap me around or jams a lighting bolt up my ass I assume he's allright with it.
          Tell me: would you respect your parents if they didn't care about you and just let you find everything out on your own? What kind of father just gives his kid a book and says: "Here ya go son, good luck and all that stuff, see ya when you're dead"?

          And if he wishes to get down on me when I'm dead, I'll punch him a bleeding nose for being such a lame ass. But until I see that divine nosebleed I'm gonna stick with what I can see, hear, feel, taste, smell and fuck.

          Dude, I know I'm coming off here as pretty frustrated, but I've seen enough so far to have become totally disillusioned by any religion whatsoever. It's the people that are firmest and strongest in their belief that are off worst in their lives, and this goes for every belief/religion. This world is just fucking wrong, and I'm gonna do some right without moralising the shit out of people who do not need sermons and prayers, but just a little food and a roof over their head.

          You cannot even begin to imagine how superfuckingpissed I am with how things are in this respect.
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          • phazon
            Gold Gabber
            • Jun 2004
            • 750

            #35
            Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

            Originally posted by cowardly dj
            As I said before I did not mean that comment as an insult. You are what some would call a person full of verbal diarrhea. You just run all the time be not offended in these comments. I am just offering you a way to improve your intelligence. If people thought before they spoke you would find an incresed intelligence in the world
            How the fuck is he not supposed to take that as an insult? It is an insult plain and simple. I've tried to stay out of this, but you're just pissing me off now. This thread is nothing but preaching, and I don't think it's got any place on this board. You have your opinions, and from what I've read they seem to give you the right to insult other people and be-little their beliefs.

            I hope your religon helps you get through life, enjoy it and leave other people to theirs.
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            • bart_smastard
              Gold Gabber
              • May 2005
              • 980

              #36
              Re: Creation... intelligent design or happen chance?

              And btw this was supposed to be your chance to prove intelligent design cowardly .And seeing as my feeble intelligence shot you down on both arguments , how can you be talking about me needing educating . Get a life ,grow a brain and live a little

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