Your next OS from Windows VISTA

[EvenSteven]

Re: Your next OS from Windows VISTA

That is an IM window, not porn.

[palmer]

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should be called shitsa not vista....

Oh TAKE THAT microsoft


I think it looks cool. Hopefully I can find a beta and see what its all about.

[daveman]

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from the screen shots it doesn't look too different from what i'm running right now. other than that analogue clock. is that what the future is coming too... lets recreate old stuff in new packaging.

i hope there is more to it than that.

[Kamal]

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what are you running now ? i.e. desktop skin to make yours look like that ?

[nicomax]

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Same shity stuff I'm caught in already

[futura]

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OSX86 really got me excited when Apple announced the switch to x86. But, even though someone will hack it, it's unfortunate that I don't think Apple will push it as a product. And the thing is - for an OS. I want something legal, and stable. Especially with all the activation crap these days - circumvention comes and goes, but you want your OS just to be there, not dependant on some hack.

At any rate - from what MS demonstrated at their PDC (I wasn't there, but have kept up on the videos and stuff coming out of it as I develop for the platform) - and it looks like a SWEET interface. OSX is still really nice - but there are some aspects of the UI that I don't think I'd be able to get used to - just how things minimize and switch tasks, etc. And the whole one-button mouse thing, that's just sick. I want multiple buttons for richer functionality.

Vista with the new Aero interface and "glass-like" windows is a bit beyond where OSX is right now, and I think by the time they release it, it'll be pretty slick. They'll build a lot of wow in the product - but what they are really focusing on is actually building the tools so that any developer or company can build into it - so there will be even more wows in the future as people extend and develop onto it.

Personally, I think MS is taking the whole Apple and Linux desktop fronts as a major threat, and they know they have to get this right. I think they'll at least pull it off -- BUT, I am a bit hesitant to say they'll blow my mind.

Although the stuff does look really cool, and I'm excited to see what kinds of new applications and stuff can come out on it.

As Encryption said, I am also looking forward to the file system DB (WinFS), and am actually disappointed that they are not going to include that in the base release.

But if you develop on the platform, or even web based stuff - I think MS is going to be coming out with some pretty compelling stuff that will demonstrate to people they are serious about staying in the market and staying in their monopoly position.

[SyntaxTerror]

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Sad thing is that we don't have a choice. Just like it happened with Windows 95, 98 and 98 SE, Microsoft will sooner or later stop to support it (for private customers who don't pay them for support) so everybody needs their new OS..I am pretty happy with XP as well..if you know the security Holes and the report functions and how to disable them, it?s a very stable OS and that?s what counts in the end.

TomTom Microsoft still offer support for Windows 98 through the normal means of technical support that Microsoft offers, same as the current version of windows.

I think it's pretty damn good that they are still supporting a 7 year old operating system, and will continue to do so for at least another year. There's no chance in hell some other software companies would support a 7 year old version of their software. Microsoft realised how widespread the use of Windows 98 is and extended the support life cycle for it.

While I'm a little skeptical about this whole DBFS thing, I'm still curious to check it out, but I get the feeling we're moving the way where you wont know an exact location of your files, which kinda feels strange to me.

Also, from what I hear there's some exciting developments to help make it a more secure os. Stuff which should make things quite harder for viruses to do their work.

I can't believe people are bitching about them developing a new os?!? You guys really are crazy. They finally nailed it when they released XP. It's a bloody stable os and it should be no different for Vista. You don't have to whine about having to upgrade. You can keep using XP if you really want to, hey, you've probably got 7 years of support on it left anyway!

[miketpoto]

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Hey Futura,

As of early next year mac's will be made with intel processors, therefore an OSX that doesnt have a hardware block to hack through, rather an OS that will run on almost any hardware clone, or Apple built (no more power PC's or a "G6") so I dont think you need to worry about not being able to have a sturdy OS due to cracks or code that will "theoreticaly " emulate the hardware required for stability.

I don't forsee Apple pushing it's "OSX86" on all PC users in an aggressive manner at first, it would kill the hardware market for people yet to switch over from windows machines (as we call them @ work). It is already working quite stably in its hacked form with one semi-important-but-able to be worked-around non-recognition of the ethernet card and wireless cards, but firewire shared internet works. I know how much apple is aware of the hacks that continue to work, and save for the machines that arent net connected running the hack, they would have already nipped it in the bud if they didnt want it to exist.

At any rate, there is a large number of people who dont want to and never will switch-over. I have seen people who I know for a fact would benefit amazingly by owning a mac be stubborn and stuck to their pc's, which they complain about having to fix or debug all the time. The reasons I hear people use to this day about why they "can't" have a mac because they need a pc for work are almost always misfounded. Unless you do AutoCAD or just plain old number crunching/accounting based stuff, in which case go for what is best for the project.

Back in OS9 days I was a big WINDOWS (not MS in genreal) cheerleader/user and thought macs were just dumb and boring/limited. But, as the drawbacks vanished and the OS became glamorous in an instant, AND I LEARNED THAT A MAC WONT EXPLODE WITH A 2 button or more mouse attached, nor was it a problem having to give-up using any windows only applications.

It is also pretty fuckin nice to be reminded that worrying about viruses or system files fucking up from installs and uninstalls and improper uninstalls is something I can virtually ignore and spend more time using my machine and not fixing or configuring it. I used windows for 11 years and then OSX for 3 or so, and I am now a computer technician. Its so much more lovely to troubleshoot a problem on an OS and applications that were all built around a core concept and sturdy base, as they are very stable, and relatively consistent in their frameworks closely resembling eachother.... so even with software I may have never used before, I can have a very good chance of isolating what the cause and exact problem are quickly, (save for MS Office and its pathetic obsession with putting lots of ugly fonts in the wrong places without notification othen (cause it wont even open as an application without all the specific microsoft required fonts installed as well (which is does in the background and in folders you would not normally have anything change automatically EVER.... )

Can anyone tell me why word processing just got stuck at a certain point in its progressing and word has been the same, bland, horribly-tacky-clip-art-laden-word-processor that lacks punch graphically, sucks even at layout with it's Autoformatting all wrong.... and mac or PC either way, the layout screen is constantly a deceptive representation of what the print out will look like... it angers me.... lets make a new one together people

[Simon Preston]

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I'd stick with Windows 2000 if I could. Still find it a much better OS than XP.

[Yao]

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Mike, if I had some real money to burn, I'd deffo be in for the switch....but music is priority now unfortunately. You are totally correct in your rant about windows users debugging all the fucking time. I'm one of them....although usually XP doesn't give me that much trouble at all I must say.

[Caley Martin]

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OSX86 really got me excited when Apple announced the switch to x86. But, even though someone will hack it, it's unfortunate that I don't think Apple will push it as a product. And the thing is - for an OS. I want something legal, and stable. Especially with all the activation crap these days - circumvention comes and goes, but you want your OS just to be there, not dependant on some hack.

At any rate - from what MS demonstrated at their PDC (I wasn't there, but have kept up on the videos and stuff coming out of it as I develop for the platform) - and it looks like a SWEET interface. OSX is still really nice - but there are some aspects of the UI that I don't think I'd be able to get used to - just how things minimize and switch tasks, etc. And the whole one-button mouse thing, that's just sick. I want multiple buttons for richer functionality.

Vista with the new Aero interface and "glass-like" windows is a bit beyond where OSX is right now, and I think by the time they release it, it'll be pretty slick. They'll build a lot of wow in the product - but what they are really focusing on is actually building the tools so that any developer or company can build into it - so there will be even more wows in the future as people extend and develop onto it.

Personally, I think MS is taking the whole Apple and Linux desktop fronts as a major threat, and they know they have to get this right. I think they'll at least pull it off -- BUT, I am a bit hesitant to say they'll blow my mind.

Although the stuff does look really cool, and I'm excited to see what kinds of new applications and stuff can come out on it.

As Encryption said, I am also looking forward to the file system DB (WinFS), and am actually disappointed that they are not going to include that in the base release.

But if you develop on the platform, or even web based stuff - I think MS is going to be coming out with some pretty compelling stuff that will demonstrate to people they are serious about staying in the market and staying in their monopoly position.

You can use multi button mice with Mac OS X btw...

[picklemonkey]

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TomTom Microsoft still offer support for Windows 98 through the normal means of technical support that Microsoft offers, same as the current version of windows.

I think it's pretty damn good that they are still supporting a 7 year old operating system, and will continue to do so for at least another year. There's no chance in hell some other software companies would support a 7 year old version of their software. Microsoft realised how widespread the use of Windows 98 is and extended the support life cycle for it.

when'd they do that? NT has been decommissioned for a few years now, I thought...

[neoee]

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Mike- the x86 OS will be limited to running on Mac hardware, likely through a proproietary BIOS. Right now its running because of developer editions. When they finalize the product it will only run on thier machines. Secondly they would prefer to keep it this way since having only a small amount of device, modems, nics etc keeps the product stable. Its one of the reasons MS can be so unstable, it supports x100's more hardware.

[SyntaxTerror]

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pickle - Yes NT is an obsolete product but 98 isn't. Unless as was stated earlier your company has a support contract with MS which includes additional support in NT.

[fumanchu182]

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for the record that was a p3 733mhz running that... with 128 mb of ram...

something is wrong, it is not a resource hog!

check his swap file pics as well...