the possibly dumbest or smartest thing i have said.

[toasty]

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this whole intelligent design thingy.....


why dont we just teach BOTH and leave it up to the kids to decide what they beleive....


here's evolution, here's intelligent design.

scientists thoerize this based on that

religions theorize this based on that

pick one.

In a philosophy class, sure. I think it's ridiculous, though, to pander to these folks that quite simply want to teach religion in schools, whether they do it overtly or backdoor it with concepts like "intelligent design."

Suppose I believe, contrary evidence be damned, that the moon is made of cheese. Does that mean that schools should teach that some people believe that the moon is a big hunk of rock, while others believe it is made of cheese?

[thesightless]

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toasty, im usually on your boat.

however

why the hell are we debating on what to teach, the more knowledge we learn the better. teach the basises of all the religions in public schools, maybe just so ppl will understand each other in a generation of two. teach all the sciences. teach all the maths. force the fucking kids to learn something for once. my sister teaches 7th grade math in NYC public schools and the kids dont know multiplication but they know how to programme thier cell phones to play ""generic shitty rap song"" . knowledge never hurt anyone. call the class ""religions of the world"". and if ppl are offended, tell them ignorance is bliss. so toughen up and learn something.


on a different note.

funny how the bitch from the times looks even worse now and is trying to implicate others..... maybe rove and her should just be put into a cell together and shut the case.

[toasty]

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why the hell are we debating on what to teach, the more knowledge we learn the better. teach the basises of all the religions in public schools, maybe just so ppl will understand each other in a generation of two. teach all the sciences. teach all the maths. force the fucking kids to learn something for once. my sister teaches 7th grade math in NYC public schools and the kids dont know multiplication but they know how to programme thier cell phones to play ""generic shitty rap song"" . knowledge never hurt anyone. call the class ""religions of the world"". and if ppl are offended, tell them ignorance is bliss. so toughen up and learn something.

I'm all for giving kids a broad base of information. There is, however, a difference between empirical knowledge and theoretical knowledge. If they want to teach what the various religions of the world believe, I'm all for it, as long as it is in the proper setting, as you suggest. Teaching intelligent design in science class is absurd, though, because it has no basis in science.

And yes, I'm aware that evolution is still technically just a "theory," but it is a theory that has support in the scientific record, which is more than I can say for the alternatives.

To summarize:

Teaching about religion = good.
Teaching religious belief as fact = bad.

I suspect we're actually pretty close to being on the same page on this one, once it's all fleshed out.

[thesightless]

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selling the religions is bad, but informing is all the better.

i went to catholic school all my life. i am far from an active participating catholic. we learned judiaism and islam in school. granted we had a specific class about christianity and went inito depth, but learning about greek orthodox, and the other 2 as well as some of the asian schools of thought did me well i think.

[thesightless]

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alright, now its come down to me being offensive

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4366232.stm

seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the muslims in the middle east?
i mean stabbing a nun????? cutting your kids heads????chopping off pppl's feet and hands???

i KNOW there are MILLIONS of nice ppl of the faith, but comon, these cats hitting the news arent do you any favors. even the crusades had a bit more ""lee way"" in the treatment of enemies. having 10 year old kids marching around with AK's isnt helping how ppl view you in the rest of the world. its getting to where some are saying ""they are savages, let them be""


end offensive rant.

[Yao]

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Totally with you on this one S, it's just fucking ridiculous. But you know, these days for some people it is not at all about 'really feeling offended' anymore, they will actually seek out any opportunity with the slightest hint and suddenly go bonkers over it, saying it is offensive to them and their religion.

Somehow I get the feeling it is part of a trend right now in which there is a rupture appearing in Islam between the moderates/progressives and the hardliners: the latter ones are regarding increasingly more and more elements in this world as their enemy. Interesting to see what will happen, maybe finally another schism in the Islamic church?

This would be on a totally different level than the current Sunni, Shi'i and Wahabite currents (and more, there was about 6 or 7 of those) in Islam, this would be something more like the transformation Christianity has undergone in Europe, virtually rooting out it's militant side...

Maybe it's wishful thinking, maybe i'm wrong. But i'm hoping...

[thesightless]

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/22/dems.radio.ap/index.html

DO OUR POLITICIANS EVEN THINK WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.????

democrats urging responsible budgeting is like Bush urging """peaceful solutions""
someone hand these assholes a mirror and a senate voting record please.

[toasty]

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democrats urging responsible budgeting is like Bush urging """peaceful solutions""
someone hand these assholes a mirror and a senate voting record please.

If I'm not mistaken, the last time we had a balnced budget, it was on a democrat's watch. The labels don't mean shit anymore. There's nothing remotely republican about Bush.

[FM]

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indeed...going back to that though, it starts to again fall on those who don't think. The successes in life always have some type of a backup plan. Maybe not in the realm of "all hell breaking loose" or "absolute worst case scenario" but they have a backup should shit like this happen (rising energy prices, gas spikes, minor catastrophes, etc.). "Responsible budgeting" the government should do, yes, but it's ultimately up to the individual to responsibly budget their own personal spendings to alleviate these shortcomings.

Oh wait, then there's people with 8 credit cards, more debt then can be fathomed, and they spend still on worthless crap...then complain when the major stuff goes up because they "can't afford it"...my bad...

[thesightless]

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If I'm not mistaken, the last time we had a balnced budget, it was on a democrat's watch. The labels don't mean shit anymore. There's nothing remotely republican about Bush.

thats cause the market was entirely over inflated and the taxes were 20% higher on anything called an investment, small corps, partnership both were over taxed. and the AMT was never adjusted so about 80% of the population was killed by it.

hey, im no fan of either group, both the democrats are as full of shit as the republicans.

[FM]

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^^^indeed. 2 words:

"dot-com"

[thesightless]

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2 more::

sarbanes oxley/.

you should read about it, the shit that these companies were pulling was amazing(speaking as an accountant).

[thesightless]

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we need a HUGE war, holy or race driven.

everyone hates the muslims, everyone hates the jews, everyone hates the west, whites vs blacks, china vs japan,

lets fight it out, and see who wins.


or


lets divide up the world to people who like each other. we can just isolate certain areas. whites and latinos can have the americas. we get along pretty well, and other than that moron chavez, not many have problems with each other. muslims(arabic and Persian and african in backround) can take africa and the parts of the middle east that are west of iraq. the Hindu people and their minor sects can have india and east all the way to the coast. oriental and mongolian peoples can have the northern regions of western asia. europe can be for the socialist peoples who, like me, dont give a fuck who you are, just as long as your cool. all the northern european peoples can keep the area currently known as sweeden

[Yao]

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So you're moving here? Cool, i'll nail down some good parties to start off with

[thesightless]

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fuck no, according to my plan. im off to puerto rico. i like capitalism b/c i like money.