god vs. god MMV

[Jenks]

Re: miketpoto

Since i am late getting into this thread, i will just comment on the first part of it.

This may sound hypocritical coming from me, especially considering some of the comments i have made in the past to get people to laugh at the expense of others. However, i believe it is the direction we are headed that is important, so i'll just leave this as my contribution to the conversation:

While several of the anti-christian jokes are obviously funny to some, they are at the same time offensive to others, and statistically speaking, probably more the latter than the former. I understand we are free to communicate whatever message we want, and living under a shelter hidden from negativity is indeed a pipe dream, but it is eventually up to the individual promote POSITIVE which makes more of a difference than a lot of you probably realize. The jokes made are just destructive, and what cannot be argued is this fact:

The jokes do SOME harm.


So my only question would be:

isn't the fact that they do indeed cause some harm enough of a reason not to make them in the first place? Or is the alternative, being selfish, the way we're going to continue to run this planet?

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

you are not born with any sexuality at all, other than to procreate the species

it is a learned, conditioned response to your environment often times starting at a young age

just like anger and laughter, you learn things and put them into practice later in life

[miketpoto]

Re: miketpoto

I have not insulted anyones core beliefs here. In fact if I remember reading right mike said he was a "gay homosexual". That is expressly forbidden in the Bible but I did not attack that as it is his core belief. If I wanted to talk to him about that I would have pm'd him because something that personal does not deserve public discussion IMO.

I apologize mike and bart and to anyone else for anything that I have said that may have insulted anyones core beliefs. I would appreciate some curteousy extended to me as I have to this and the other threads and others posts.

I do not mind talking about anything and in fact that is the very reason I started the creation thread, but there is a clear line drawn between talking and arguing for the sake of arguing.

Thank you cowardly, I truly appreciate the sentiments, and am glad you wrote this post explaining how you feel about things in general. I think the intelligent design thread is great to have on the board, and my issue with religious based posts only pertains to those that bring the bible and it's stories into completely unrelated topics. I had a very long discussion with my minister-pal about this all last night and he had some very interesting and amusing thoughts on the whole thing as well. His perspective on the issue that I admire and respect big time is essentially along the lines of the picture not having any statement or insult to make about who jesus is or was, (not to mention the fact that the picture doesn nothing to suggest that jesus was a bad guy at all and we all know he probably didnt have a clone). If the picture was used in a context to criticize or belittle it would have been a completely different scenario and he wouldnt have approved of my doing that.

One's personal beliefs about other people's behavior and how it will affect the rest of their lives or eternities is unavoidable, as it is a thought that happens in one's mind and that shouldn't and most likely can't be taken away. Anyone can feel certain and strongly about other people with good or bad intentions behind it, and either way that is fine as long as it doesn't manifest itself into actions. As true as your feelings of sadness are for me, you instantly negate any worth or respect for me as a person by the suggestion that my actions in life will result in punishment or spiritual rejection (I am assuming thats what you are sad about, correct me if I am way off on that). As polite and courteous as anyone may be, I wouldn't care to be around them if they knew me as a person and still believed something like that about me. My destiny for all of eternity in the end has nothing to do with anyone elses unless I choose to negatively step in the way of someone elses existence. I don't have any conflict about anyone's practice of religion as it doesn't impact me, but when another's belief system is used to dictate or try and dictate the course of my life and what I can or can't or should do.... then I have a big issue with that.

I haven't written you off as an asshole or as a person, the above was just an explanation of how I look at respect/personal beliefs. And I thank you again for the apology.

I have to run up to the 48th floor again for a few, so here's a link of pics of the view from up there to keep anyone amused while I am gone

http://www.illcutyourface.com/media/index.php?path=pics%2Ftvland/

[miketpoto]

Re: miketpoto

you are not born with any sexuality at all, other than to procreate the species

it is a learned, conditioned response to your environment often times starting at a young age

just like anger and laughter, you learn things and put them into practice later in life

This I will get back to, cause I know you weren't there for my birth.

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

Jenks i agree totaly , almost mike's community is constantly attacked by the christian community they even go as far as to call them subhuman ( untermenchant= subhuman was the term the germans used to associate with the jews) mike has every right to poke fun back if someone names a joke thread based on christianity aimed at himself. I will admit that CDJ's jokes had a lot more tact and restraint than mikes . but fighting fire with fire is all fair in love and war as far as i'm concerned. I ain't going to get into the stuff i said previously with E for that is dead and buried . But while others defend what CDJ believes in i will defend what mike thinks is true

[picklemonkey]

Re: miketpoto

I think everyone in this thread is a homo. except me.

this thread is the one thing all gays have in common.

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

you are not born with any sexuality at all, other than to procreate the species

i am hetrosexual with no hangups about previous wonderings into the worlds of both. howeva I have "no" absolutely "no" intentions of procreating .

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

pickle the ones that shout the loudest about there preferences are often the ones most confused

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

Religion indeed been blamed for many things both good and bad.

Religion can not in itself do anything as it is not an entity. People however can and have. People can take the concept of religion and do crazy things just as easy as a person could say and do the same because they claim the apple is almighty.

[Jenks]

Re: miketpoto

but fighting fire with fire is all fair in love and war as far as i'm concerned

Fighting fire with fire is destructive. It is that philosophy that only keeps negativity going.

[picklemonkey]

Re: miketpoto

I'm not confused... this whole thread is definitely homo.

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

You

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

Fighting fire with fire is destructive. It is that philosophy that only keeps negativity going.

in certain forest fires they will deliberatley set fire to all around it so the fire can't spread

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

Bart you choose not to procreate, it is not something that was lacking at your birth.

Mike I can not and am not commenting on your birth or your sexuality. I am stating what some think are scientific facts.

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

and i can point to a thousand scientific facts that say differently ..

anyhows bollox to this i'm gonna go bed i'll read how this has progressed tomorow