Some of my research as I promised

[Kobe]

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This is the difference between science and faith. Yes, a scientist will accept that his explanations are theories, but these are theories based on known parameters that serve to explain facts as we are able to observe them. Any scientist will accept the possibility that he may subsequently be proven wrong.

Whereas religious docterine blindly soliders on regardless of what other facts, theories or alternate faiths suggest.

[influx]

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never take an estimate for a fact, always remember that it is an estimate

right, and i have. even at an estimate, 10 billion trillion is a whole hell a lot bigger than 150 quadrillion i think it was. remember 10 billion trillion is 10 billion trillions... which is prolly like 10 billion times that of 150 quadrillion... which makes for a lot of possibilties for life in the universe.

There is no scientific evidence that the earth is 15 billion years old. It is an estimate.

i don't think anyone ever said that. i think you might be refering to the approximate age of the universe. it's fairly widely accepted that the earth is estimated at being about 4-5 billion years old and the universe being 12-18 billion years old depending on the instrument used.

Once again the point of my post was completely missd.
Let me break it down as simple as I can

I have not asked anyone to agree with me. I have put it out there as food for thought.

we understand that. you don't have to "break-it-down" for us. you're not as smart as you think you are.

[bart_smastard]

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To be honnest guys CDJ has a belief he deeply and profoundly believes in it goes against the majority of ppl's views and logic but he has found something that makes him happy . Because he dosn't need these beliefs proving to himself and in his heart these facts came from a higher and more intelligent being than we shall ever meet , his views seem arrogant dismissive of others . Also when he sees an element in science that could somehow aid him in getting the message over to us he seizes upon it and dismisses those parts that don't suit . On his original post his figures do add up if you are saying all life is the same , all life needs the same conditions and all life was created at the same time , on the same kind of planet in the same kind of solar system under the same kind of sun . He mentioned the ideal conditions for water to exist in it's fluid state though somehow forgot to mention the moons of jupiter where there is plenty of fluid water under glaziers of ice . And that's just in our own solar system . He mentioned old stars and galxies not being able to support life . But those galaxies and stars were as young as ours once . He mentions spiral and eliptical galaxies . Though those eliptical galaxies were spiral until they came close to another galaxy. New glaxies being born all the time and new stars are born every minute of everyday . Our position in this galaxy hasn't always been were it is and 1.1 billion years ago when the very first lychens and algie spawned on this floating rock we deffinately wern't where we are now . So position is not so vital either . The list of counter arguments go on and on and on and on . Though as i state cdj's figures were right .

It's just life as we know has a will of it's own , molecules/atoms protons/neurons/electrons/muons and quarks ( prob goes even smaller we are still finding out ) all want to react with eachother they have forces that make them oppose but other forces that want to keep them near . It is in natures nature to have these kind of relationships it goes from the massive to the miniscule . And that was how life was created here and maybe a billion other places.
some ppl think life starting was a miracle , i believe it was inevitable

[miketpoto]

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you don't have to "break-it-down" for us. you're not as smart as you think you are.

"break-it-down" :ROFLMAO: I fuckin love it!

[miketpoto]

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Now lets put this a little more in perspective.
With this small example of 11 necessary characteristics used here, we find the odds for a chance occurance are far greater than anything we humans would care to bet our lives on. For example, parachute clubs have often stated that the ods of surviving a fall withourt a parachute from 10,000 feet are one in ten million.
If offered a billion tax free dollars to jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet without a prachute, with the proviso tht you had to live to collect the money, would you accept the offer? Not if you were sane. The odds of surviving are much too small foar an y rational person to accept. Yet the odds of there being an accidental planet hospitable for life using only the few parameters here considered are 15 billion times less likely than surviving a free--fall from 10,000 feet.
With odds like this, you have to wonder why anyone would choose chance over design. It seems that the evidence clearly testifies to the intervention of a personal, intelligent planner adn designer, whom the Bible calls the God of Heaven and earth.
In future posts I will consider even more conditins needed for life. When all of these essentials are analyzed, teh odds of teh exostence of God become so great that they far exceed not only the total number of possible stars, but even the atoms that make up the cosmos.

OK, now that everyone in the office has left my cube and we've all stopped laughing from reading this post, I'll just put my two cents in. Since Cowardly hasn't responded to several posts of mine in the past where I've reached out in an effort to at least agree to disagree, I see no sense in not deciding to be devil's advocate. (Duh, I already chose to do that when I signed up to be gay)

Lets just say that it were statistically provable or possible that a "creator" is more likely than "shit happening" and in that being the "safer bet" to "choose"....

And so this choice not only involves "eyepatching" or "blind faith", but also involves a lot of rules or "commandments" that at some times don't make a lot of sense, and at others make perfect sense (it makes perfect sense that the Bible puts all the power and control into the hands of hetero-man and puts almost all of the fear and consequences in front of the faces and in the back of the minds of everyone else..... Perfect sense as to who wrote it/would benefit from it). Additionally, in following all of the rules one has to "worship" the same creator who made things possible such as plague, war, hatred, loneliness, depression, Jock Itch, and George W Bush. Granted, all of the wonderful things that exist are made by the same "dude", but given the cruelty of the more fucked up shit versus the sad # of miracles these days (? lazy or inconsiderate/Selfish ?) I'm not likely to start worshipping at any time soon.

And even if the worship and the obedience are executed flawlessly ( I mean like even if the chinese judge agrees) why on earth would you choose to sepnd the rest of eternity stuck in this guy's house? Can you imagine what twisted shit would be in store for you there? Like, what is gonna be included in this guy's idea of fun, and is his Idea of salvation and harmony even remotely close to that of mine? And finally still, think of all the people who are gonna be there that you KNOW you totally don't want to even know about let alone spend eternity with. I mean yeah, a lot of them are really nice, but nice and boring arent mutually exclusive. So until the existence of the devil and the proof that this "Hades" is really such a horrible place and that I'm forced to choose the former or the latter, I'm not gonna go with the god from the book... Who wants to party?

[cowardly dj]

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Kinda strange that Katrina devastated NO the week of the gay celebration festivities

Press on people... the truth will be know, but all too late for most.

[day_for_night]

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Kinda strange that Katrina devastated NO the week of the gay celebration festivities

Press on people... the truth will be know, but all too late for most.

ummm you're a motherfucker for even suggesting that. and as a catholic, you should know that your religion says god doesnt interfere in our lives, he lets us make our own choices...without that, people wouldnt have the freedom to 'chose' him or not. Katrina hitting new orleans was a random act of nature, not god punishing people for being gay, moron.

ps. i find it highly ironic that self-professed religious people, such as yourself, tend to be some of the most hateful, biggoted bastards on the planet. peace and love for everyone (unless they dont follow the bible, then they should be killed by a hurricane, right?)

[cowardly dj]

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ps. i find it highly ironic that self-professed religious people, such as yourself, tend to be some of the most hateful, biggoted bastards on the planet. peace and love for everyone (unless they dont follow the bible, then they should be killed by a hurricane, right?)

Check your Bible and tell me

[cowardly dj]

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and as a catholic

BTW in case you were under the impression that I was Catholic that is not correct.

If that is not what you were saying then nevermind.

[day_for_night]

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well whatever the hell you are, you've got some skewed views. and ya, i've read the bible, i went to catholic school for 13 years.

old teastement = dont worship god, you're going to hell

new teastement = god loves you no matter what

bit of a conflict, but most people would say the new teastement is alot more compassionate, something you've obviously skipped...

[cowardly dj]

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ummm you're a motherfucker for even suggesting that. and as a catholic, you should know that your religion says god doesnt interfere in our lives, he lets us make our own choices...without that, people wouldnt have the freedom to 'chose' him or not. Katrina hitting new orleans was a random act of nature, not god punishing people for being gay, moron.

ps. i find it highly ironic that self-professed religious people, such as yourself, tend to be some of the most hateful, biggoted bastards on the planet. peace and love for everyone (unless they dont follow the bible, then they should be killed by a hurricane, right?)

Just to help you understand that what you said about me you were also saying about God as well because it comes from his mouth.

1Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,
(10) nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if a man uses it lawfully,
(9) knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous one, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) for fornicators, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and anything else that is contrary to sound doctrine,
(11) according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


God dos not "make people do things as you are speaking about, but God does still have providence over the earth. Sodom and Gomorrah for example. Destroyed because they were sinful cities.

Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, committing fornication, and going away after other flesh, laid down an example before-times, undergoing vengeance of everlasting fire.

Note the remark "laid down an example before-times". God does what he sees fit to do.

So before we start calling names and pointing fingers of hate we should make sure we fully understand the situation.

[cowardly dj]

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new teastement = god loves you no matter what

We love our children no matter what but we still punish them for doing wrong in our eyes.

[shosh]

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^^^ since youve gone to catholic school im sure you understand that the difference is more than just being more compassionate...

[day_for_night]

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ya btw cowardly, i dont care if i did insult your god, just cause i went to catholic school doesnt mean i bought into it. religion is the opiate of the masses, created by man to control weak minded people (sorry if thats too blunt for ya).

[day_for_night]

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We love our children no matter what but we still punish them for doing wrong in our eyes.

and you normally kill your kids for doing wrong?