France??

**stencil_cp** · November 8, 2005, 01:15:35 PM

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i don't get the impression it's strictly a muslim issue, but that the heavy immigrant population in some areas are getting harrassed and all together treated as second-class citizens. poor and discriminated against . . . what's a more appropriate gesture than torching a few hundred cars--instruments and symbols of wealth and freedom? hell, there's got to be more if it's spread so far. . . i don't know.

**bart_smastard** · November 8, 2005, 03:10:46 PM

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This isn't a strictly muslim issue .. It is stricly a respect issue .
they don't respect themselves or others
they don't respect the law
they don't repect the area they live in
and they are in impoverished areas because they never respected education
If you respect yourself ,your goal is personal improvement which would mean you either get yourself out of the ghettos or you work with the community to improve the area you live in . If you respect the law and your comunity you work with it to root out crime and shame those creating an unhealthy enviroment for children to grow up in .
Education both social and accademical is the only way you can prevent these sitautions arrising . But the human rights fruitecakes have ment teachers cannot instil any sense of order in the classroom .. This is what i believe is the fundamental cause for lack of respect and hope in the youths that are creating these these situations .Bad parenting is the other cause

**thesightless** · November 8, 2005, 03:39:18 PM

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let poor ppl die, any species that cannot survive by itself, let alone when it has reasoning and intellect above all other species, should go along with the dodo bird and wooly mammoth. im a ultra purist about humans trying to stop nature from happening. when im dying or like terry schiavo, just let me go, dont burden anyone trying to delay the inevitable.

**daveman** · November 8, 2005, 03:56:13 PM

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the daily showed covered it last night and cracked me up.

"who is going to surrender first, the french or the french? how do they cope with a problem like this." :ROFLMAO:

**bart_smastard** · November 8, 2005, 04:12:18 PM

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^^ lol . i can't believe they started to fight in the first place that's why i automaticaly thought . .IMMIGRANTS

**dawnx** · November 8, 2005, 04:27:39 PM

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Sorry but the french gov bring it on them selves

**Yao** · November 8, 2005, 10:11:59 PM

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I'll try and look into some backgrounds for this situation...a lot of European countries have similar problems with minorities not mingling with the autochtonous population, and those youths making large part of the crime rates. In France it's mostly Algerians (former protectorate) and francophone Africans, in my country it's mostly Moroccans and people from the Netherlands Antilles.

It's been known that many French cities had ghettoized suburbs for a long time already, they just don't seem to be be able to stop it. IMO both Bart and Stencil_cp make a good point: in fact, they are most probably directly related.
The 'contained' groups of immigrants pose a threat for the Frech society (wether a real one or simply in the realm of the 'we' and 'us' question), and provoke an unfriendly, sometimes hostile reaction with law enforcement troops. That makes the immigrants fall back on their own social group even more and take a distance from the state. The processes magnify each other, and this may be the outcome.

People don't feel taken seriously and start avoiding the state, the state however tries to exert and regain control by approaching those people more agressively than is usual.

@Sonatine: killing immigrants migth only be fuel for the riots dude, and apart from that: it will hamper any dialogue after they manage to get control of situation.