The Devil

[picklemonkey]

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I'm still waiting for an explanation on those bible flaws I found/posed

[BSully828]

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Don't hold your breath...

[hulkhuss]

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I'm still waiting for an explanation on those bible flaws I found/posed

umm translation errors?

[bart_smastard]

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We are heading into December so time for me to do my Santa Clause theory .
Santa Clause for kids
Religion for adults

The legend of Santa Clause goes back to Saint Nicholas in Germany i know but the actual view we have of him was designed by Coca Cola . The reason he is there is to promise kids that by being good all year they will recieve presents which will bring them happiness .
In short .
Something happened that was blown out of proportion then it was exploited for money and then it was used as a tool to control .
( Don't get me wrong i love christmass but who's ever had their parents saying you won't get this or you won't get that unless you start behaving )
We use christmass because it's a yearly and tangable thing (suited for kids) . Religion is a longer time frame with less tangable rewards (so not suitable for kids) .

Sain't nicholas was an ordinary guy to start with who had a good heart and did a bit of good in his lifetime. But myth , legend , exageration , and people profiteering has given us a lie we tell to control others . See any simmilarities . Does it ring any bells YO HO HO

[asdf_admin]

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bah. you are all wrong. faith is in the heart and mind. you can not prove it, and you can not dis-prove it. no matter what text you use. it is a human choice to believe, because it is a choice, you can not convey that faith is a good or bad thing. we all make choices, some good, some bad. as we make a choice(s), there is another valid point of how we act upon that choice as well.

it really becomes a dead end road. the left is strong as the right. God made it that way.

[Yao]

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In Holland we actually celebrate BOTH figures: Santa Claus though was an import figure in Christmas, but Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas) is an unofficial holiday here, celebrated on 4th and 5th of december in the evening. Usually the 5th is presents evening, on which Saint Nicholas and his black henchmen drop presents for the good kids down the chimneys in the night.
So that evening parent give their kids all kinds of presents, and as you get older and the myth goes away it turns into small presents evenings, or people build all kinds of weird things to hide their presents in and write poems (surprises). It's really cool actually, much more involvement than Christmas. And you can seriously pull some nice pranks with the surpise-presents , like hiding the present really deep, or mixing the filling with peanut butter thru which your victim will have to go with his/her hands to find the present, lol. I love that shit. Or you send someone on a quest in order to find their present. You can make a boat, a bicycle, or a giant penis with one infected swollen testicle to hide the present in (last one referred to a colleague who suffered from that at the time of Saint-Nicholas evening).

You should start doing that in the States too

Oh, and the biggest fun it all is keeping your construction secret, as well as the one the present is meant for. It's a damn soap the days before, cheating and sneaking to find out that shit.

[asdf_admin]

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Polar Express IMO.

[bart_smastard]

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Ure right ASDF faith is in the heart and mind . With that i have no problems. But stories of devils and gods are man made . An inner belief is selfmade not distorted , twisted ,cohersed or manipulated in order to achieve something. I have an inner belief that is probably way off the mark but it is a belief ( matter came from somewhere i believe that that matter could be god himself ) i am probably totaly wrong but it is a feeling , i don't think god anylonger has a consciousness or a care about us he just intentional exploded in order to create all that there is . my problem is about ppl believing in something as real as pixies at the bottom of the garden just becuase someone said they seen some there . just cos it was wrote down it don't make it true . ppl should think about what they believe .instead of thinking about what others believe

[nso98]

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If Smith is the opposite of Neo, and you believe Heaven exists, then, yes, Hell too exists.

[cowardly dj]

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To be fair, some of us asked for CDJ's opinion(s), he didn't begin this thread to shove his views down our throats. Its a subject he takes interest in and I welcome his opinion, and enjoy the differing views everyone brings to the table. Some of you guys need to lighten up on the guy. If you don't agree with him (as I don't) continue the debate but tone down the ridicule.

I am glad I am not the only one here who sees it this way.

as far as people saying that if I would just say it is a matter of faith then the conversations would be less hostile............. I have not brought any hostility to this forum. It is those who respond to my post with hostility,



will be back in a few to start answering some of the posts

keep up the good work mates.......... It has been an encouragement to my faith to have had these in depth discussions.

It needs to be clear that the only reason I post in here is to supply the information. What you guys do with it is up to you. I am not so silly as to think I can make any of you believe. That is up to you to decipher the evidence.

[cowardly dj]

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I wanted to add one thing before I go shower......... I too am as human as the rest of you. Yes there are things in my past I have done that dishonor God and what he has done for us. There are times in the past when my faith has been not so strong. I too have wondered if there can really be a God. The reason was I did not know as much about God and the Bible as I do now. So to find out I started to look into it very deply. Going outside the Bible for answers. I thought that if the Bible was the ony thing that was there to prove God existed that I was not sure what I was believeing in.

There comes a point when you study the BIble that it starts to become very clear that it is true and its doctrine are sound and that God exists. There are things that exist outside the Bible taht prove its truth. I have tons of this stuff here on my desk and in my library.

It takes a person who is willing to admit they can be wrong about their beliefs to find out they may be right. There is nothing wrong with searching out the answers to our existence. There is however something wrong when you look to the creation to define itself. That alone is enough for many people to believe in God.

1. We are here
2. We had a beginning and we have an end.
3. Man has not foound a single answer to where he came from since he stated looking.


What defines faith? Believeing something simply because others say it is so........... or finding out for yourself?

[Jenks]

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2. We had a beginning and we have an end.

I don't know what you're made of, but i do not have an end, as energy cannot be destroyed. The human body is a vehicle for energy, when i'm finally done with this vehicle, i'll move on, but i won't end.

[BSully828]

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3. Man has not found a single answer to where he came from since he stated looking.

No offense CDJ, but doesn't that kinda negate everything you've said up to this point? If man has not found a single answer to where he came from, then how can Christianity be the only answer in regards to man's creation?

[cowardly dj]

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No offense CDJ, but doesn't that kinda negate everything you've said up to this point? If man has not found a single answer to where he came from, then how can Christianity be the only answer in regards to man's creation?

I said man has not found an answer. I did not say the answer did not exist.

Why look to man to answer a question about where he came from? Seriously consider that concept. Even if we label our answer "science"............ isnt it still man defining his existence. Man invented the science. A deep thought inside yourselves will tell you that even you have manipulated things to get the answer you want out of something.

Statistics can be cheated. I am going to put a concept out here that I have lived by and it is a topic of a book I am writing. There is only one true statistic. The possibility of anything happening is only 50/50. No matter what it is. It will either come to pass or it will not. The example I use to best describe it is the car vs. plane battle.

Which is safer way to travel. I will prove to you that both are equal.

What are your odds of surviving a car crash?............ 50/50... you do or you do not. There is no halfway survive or halfway not survive a car crash.
What are your odds of surviving a plane crash?.........50/50.... you do or you do not There is no halfway survive or halfway not survive a plane crash.

So if you had to guess who made the statistic that plane travel was safer than auto travel, knowing the true odds of survival, who do you think twisted the odds to make plane travel look safer? The auto industry????

In all actuality, we know as much about ourselves and our existence as a dog does. We can no better define how we came to be than a dog winning the nobel prize for best guess. Man is not perfect so anything made by man can not be perfect. That which is perfect can not come from anything imperfect. They are opposite like the N and S Pole.

1. We are here
2. We have a beginning and an end
3. Do you know where you came from?

[Jenks]

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Why look to man to answer a question about where he came from? Seriously consider that concept. Even if we label our answer "science"............ isnt it still man defining his existence. Man invented the science. A deep thought inside yourselves will tell you that even you have manipulated things to get the answer you want out of something.

Man invented the bible and religion as well.