The Devil

[cowardly dj]

Re: The Devil

Oh come on. The Bible isn't right because other religions are wrong.

Not the reason for the paper. Obviously if someone does not believe in God then why would I try to prove God's existence through a means they find discredible.

Maybe it is for those who do believe in God who may read this as well. Or not. 50/50 chance I am telling the truth, or not.

[cowardly dj]

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Man invented the bible and religion as well.

but you can not prove that, it is just speculation about something you do not want to believe exists.

[cowardly dj]

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You can't tell me you could prove as a fact that Jesus walked on water or that he changed water into wine or that Moses split the Red Sea or Jonah survived inside a whale or Lazarus arose from the dead, etc. etc. These are things you may have faith and believe in, but there's absolutely no proof whatsoever that these events truly occured.

How do you know that Napoloen existed?

[Jenks]

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but you can not prove that,

you cannot prove the opposite either.

[cowardly dj]

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you cannot prove the opposite either.

So who is the authority then?

[asdf_admin]

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So who is the authority then?

you are.

[cowardly dj]

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. As for the Bible itself: it's too damn contradictory with what I see happening around me.

Are you basing that feeling on what the Bible says or what you see other people who call themselves religious doing and saying?

[Jenks]

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^both imo.

[cowardly dj]

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It's a convenient, premade way to explain the unexplainable. Instead of coming up with your (not you, the "believers") own ideas on why we are here and how we got here, just follow the Bible, and believe "god" made it all. Easy enough...right??

Not for me

and a man you have never met before who had the first thought about carbon dating is good enough for you?

A man who sailed around in a boat and looked at some animals is good enough for you.

a man this and a man that......... we are not perfect creatures, so nothing perfect comes from us. It is not possible. it is like sun shining in darkness.

[cowardly dj]

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^both imo.

and being a man that has done things contrary to God and know that I now speak of God all the time..... I am well aware that it is a bad thing to judge the Bible based on the acts of people. If you want to judge the Bible then you should use what the Bible says about people and how they should act rather than what people say the Bible says on how they should act. Isnt it posssible that people being imperfect can misunderstand and misuse something if we just take other peoples word on what it says?

[Jenks]

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the bible contradicts itself on its own.

[Yao]

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No, it's not just about the people being imperfect man...there is no such thing as perfection, only in the perception of a man or woman, and even then nobody will be able to give you a description because it is subjective.

Anyway...Jenks was right with his short short answer.

What consolation is it that for example Western countries are still leeching on LDC's, extracing their natural resources to keep their economies growing, thus causing millions of people to die from diseases (expensive medication), hunger, war, poverty etc etc?? Fucking nice idea for a devout Christian African kid to lose it's parents, get recruited into a child soldier army, lose a limb and get traumatized beyond belief, get caught by the opposition and get tortured to death?

Great fucking God you have, but you can have him dude. I will not have anything to do with a 'supreme being' that is supposed to give the world rules to live by and then is too damn weak to do something about this mess. If he's that weak, then screw him. He deserves a big ass punch in the nose, should he exist anyway.

(Yep...that question brought up my real anger with religion and Gods in general again...sorry mate, but that one came from my guts)

[asdf_admin]

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the bible contradicts itself on its own.

no it doesn't. it's actually you Jenks that contradicts the text. For all the bible is truly words. You are the subject that adds or subtracts value to those words. That is the beauty of reading.

[Jenks]

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Actually asdf, the bible says plainly contradicting things. I don't have to read anything into this stuff.

http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

[cowardly dj]

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... and contradictory with other versions of the Bible. The Bible itself actually wasn't written 2000 years ago -- it was passed down orally for the first 400 years or so. And we're supposed to believe that they got it -- with "it" being the absolute literal Word of God -- down verbatim? Try keeping a story consistent through two retellings. Sorry, no sale.

Actually that is not quite the correct descripton of the Bible.

There was no oral passing down of the Bible for a few reasons.

1. If you understand the Bible explanation on how it was written then you understand that men could not have messed it up.

2. The Law of Moses was given to Moses on the mountain by God........ The Ten Commandments were not the only thing given to Moses.

3.God spoke through prophets that recorded the words God gave them. They wrote on scrolls.

4. The Bible was penned over a period of 1400 - 1800 years by 40 men.

5. The actual Bible was authored by God and not man. God gave the men the words to say. The men only penned what the Holy Spirit guided them to write.

That is the Biblical explanation on its origin.