Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD errors

[mixu]

:P hey, where did that come from?











yeah, save the fucking whales too.

Where did what come from?





save your ass first.

[Jenks]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

i can see that.


way to fuck it up euro, lol.

[krelm]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

was under the impression that the panel was bipartisan?

Well, let's break down the members...you can find information on each on the 911 commission website (http://www.9-11commission.gov/), and it is quite easy to find party information online.


Thomas H. Kean - Republican
Chair

Lee H. Hamilton - Democrat
Vice Chair

Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat
Fred F. Fielding - Republican
Jamie S. Gorelick - Democrat
Slade Gorton - Republican
Bob Kerrey - Democrat
John F. Lehman - Republican
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat
James R. Thompson - Republican

5 Democrats, 5 Republicans. The chaiman is a republican, the vice-chair is democrat. How is that not bipartisan? Are the republicans on it not conservative enough to really be considered "republicans"? Are they actually pinko-commie-liberals in disguise?

[toasty]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

In the libs attempt to discredit Bush's administration for going to war with Iraq, they are now providing evidence that Iran posed much more of a threat than Iraq ever did. Iran is now being linked to 9/11, nuclear technology, terrorism by the left, again, in an attempt to say, "Hey, why did we go into Iraq when we should have gone into Iran - LOOK at the evidence!"

Yeah, I guess we lefty pinkos should have known that if we give the right an excuse to go wage war somewhere, they're going to take it, even if that wasn't the point to begin with. The way you paint it, it suggests that conservatives are just waiting for an excuse -- as in:

"I only came here to do two things -- kick some ass, and drink some beer. Looks like we're almost out of beer..." Clint, in Dazed and Confused

:wink:

I've got no problem with going into another country and doing what we've got to do, and I don't think we have to wait to be attacked before we do it. With that said, flying off half-cocked is the wrong way to go about it.

Getting back to Bush's failure to accept any responsibility, compare the Iraq effort to situation in the corporate world. If you were in a high level position in corporate America and fucked something up as badly as Rumsfeld fucked up this war effort, you would be summarily canned. Rumsfeld, however, gets accolades from his boss for his fine service. The Bush adminstration is either in denial or is way more fucked up than I ever dreamed.

[Jenks]

Bush should come out and say, "Hey, we kinda fucked this up, but what's done is done, the world is better off without Saddam, lets move on."

The Bush adminstration is either in denial or is way more fucked up than I ever dreamed.

oh, they're plenty fucked up, that's for sure.

Ashcroft needs to bleed a slow death. (granted, by just typing that, i've been put on ECHELON's watch list.) But i'm surely not the first person to think this, or type it.

Rumsfeld can suck a fat one too as far as i'm concerned...right along with Dick Cheney.

Basically, i can't stand much of the administration, but i'll be goddammed if i'm going to hand the country over to the democratic party waiting to hand out their entitlements. And really, who even knows what the Democratic party stands for these days? Definitely not the strong party it used to be.

[toasty]

Bush should come out and say, "Hey, we kinda fucked this up, but what's done is done, the world is better off without Saddam, lets move on."

Seriously, if he had done this long ago, I doubt his approval rating would have dropped at the rate it did over the last few months.

[delirious]

Bush should come out and say, "Hey, we kinda fucked this up, but what's done is done, the world is better off without Saddam, lets move on."

Seriously, if he had done this long ago, I doubt his approval rating would have dropped at the rate it did over the last few months.

There are a million things Bush could've done to save himself. It seems that, with the advice of his right-wing advisers, he simply won't make those tough decisions. They'd rather just carry on with the same old shit.

His choice
Plays right to Kerry's advantage.

[razvan]

Believe it or not ... He is in charge god damn it! He has the last word I think ... and this makes him responsible for all this.

[Jenks]

^ the difference is...i'm really not having much of a problem with a lot of it.

[delirious]

^ the difference is...i'm really not having much of a problem with a lot of it.

No, just the vice-President, the Secretary of Defence and the Attorney General. Not much of a problem at all!

[Jenks]

^^the WMD and Iraq stuff fella...

even hating those three you mentioned, it's still better than the alternative...sucks doesn t it?

[mixu]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

i can see that.


way to fuck it up euro, lol.

See what?

oops

[neur0t0xin64]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

Bush should take responsibility for taking the country into a war which was based on erroneous intel. He SHOULD NOT take responsibility for the false intel itself. He had and has nothing to with intelligence gathering or interpreting. CIA, FBI, NSA, ..... their arrogance is what fucked it all up.

Dont get me wrong, the war needed and needs to be fought, but don't say "WMD" say "Saddam is a crazy fuck and he is threatening us and everyone else. Right now we have enough problems with terrorists so we are just going to take Saddam out and avoid having him to worry about later"

[toasty]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

He SHOULD NOT take responsibility for the false intel itself. He had and has nothing to with intelligence gathering or interpreting.

I would not expect him to do this, but does anyone else think that it is possible that Bush's obvious desire to go into Iraq skewed the intel? I don't even mean that Bush said to anyone, "I want you to find me an excuse to go into Iraq" (although I don't think that would surprise me) -- I just mean that the folks up top said to themselves, "we've been asked to determine if there was a link to Iraq, so let's try to argue for one."

Just a thought...

[digitalghost1]

Re:: Bush takes no personal responsibility for Iraq WMD erro

He SHOULD NOT take responsibility for the false intel itself. He had and has nothing to with intelligence gathering or interpreting.

I would not expect him to do this, but does anyone else think that it is possible that Bush's obvious desire to go into Iraq skewed the intel? I don't even mean that Bush said to anyone, "I want you to find me an excuse to go into Iraq" (although I don't think that would surprise me) -- I just mean that the folks up top said to themselves, "we've been asked to determine if there was a link to Iraq, so let's try to argue for one."

Just a thought...

No mistake here. Intel was as good as it gets. You get a maybe it's there or maybe not. You pick what you think it is and move on it. We don't have the luxury of waiting for Saddam or any terrorist supporting bastard or rogue jerk-off to build up their weapons with illegal trade and hope he doesn't do something stupid and that the whole f'n mess goes away. You either strike with what you know or let it grow and hope it doesn't tear your ass off later.
Those days of letting this crap build and build is over. We should redraw the map in that region with democracies, Iraq is as good a start for that as we could hope for. Let those terrorist bastards flood that place with assholes, let them meet their maker on that battlefield rather than here. We are at war and it will get a whole hell of a lot worse before we can make it better. 1993 was the first major terrorist bombing in the US, then 911 on 2001, thats 8 years for a spectacular strike, we will be do for another before 2007, Im sure it will come sooner than that. Just think of it this way, since nothing really has change significantly in this country in the way of security, and I'm talking about tracking people, especially people of a particular race - we will be doomed to another strike. Get off your asses out there and take personal responsibility for being a dumbass if you think this shit about taking responsibility for an error? really makes sense (the whole world stated he had WMDs long before we were there). Please enough with the leg-humping love feast about WMDs, put the goal of the war into perspective, to eliminate terrorism and their supporters.

Ahhh.. I feel better. (US Citizens) Vote for whoever you want, just don't be surprised if you vote for a guy who doesn't have the ballz of making a decision and staying the course.